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45-70 or 500 snw
« on: October 22, 2008, 01:51:21 PM »
how  do  these  2  rounds  compare??

i  got  back  into  reloading   when  i  bought  my  500 revolver$$$$

either  one  is  over powered.........but  that's  part  of  the  fun

what  will   one  do  over  the  other  and  visa verse
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Re: 45-70 or 500 snw
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2008, 03:22:21 PM »
Ohh Boy.. not again!!!

IIRC, the general consensus is/was the 45-70 is a better choice.

In reality there ain't a lot of difference between the two....

 I have and LOVE both..

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Re: 45-70 or 500 snw
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2008, 03:27:26 PM »
If you want big...go big or go home.  The 45-70 or 500 S&W aren't overkill, but the 45-120 certainly is.  I'm trying to gather a group of big-shell converts.  :)
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Re: 45-70 or 500 snw
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2008, 02:31:11 AM »
I don't crank them up so I much prefer the .45-70 and I believe componets are alllot cheaper another plus for me, I also think the .45 has an edge in accuracy, at least in handie rifles. If you already load and shoot .50s thou I would look hard at that, you are already familiar with that round so there ya go.
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Re: 45-70 or 500 snw
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2008, 03:01:02 AM »
i  have  a  lee  mould  440g  for  the  500  to  cast

i  have  not  ordered  my  45  mould  yet  any  suggestions

i  have  several  weight  cast  commercial  if  i  find  time  to  tinker
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Re: 45-70 or 500 snw
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2008, 04:23:36 AM »
In the Eastern and Midwest States I believe there are special seasons where you’re allowed to use rifles firing ‘pistol” cartridges like the 500 S&W, but rifle cartridges like the 45-70 are not allowed.  Check you local game laws to see if you qualify.  If on there are no programs like this in your local area of locations you’d possibly hunt I’d go with the 45-70.  As far as down range performance in concerned, dead is dead.
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Re: 45-70 or 500 snw
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2008, 04:33:11 AM »
In a Handi, the .500 will eventually give trouble.  It's nearly too much IMO.  The .45-70 doesn't give any trouble and it's easier to find stuff for.
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Re: 45-70 or 500 snw
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2008, 04:42:20 AM »
I had that choice when I bought my last Handi, I choose the 45-70. Much more choice on bullets and less $$
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Re: 45-70 or 500 snw
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2008, 06:49:06 AM »
I say both.
The 500 S&W would be great out to 100 to 150 yards and really good in the brush.
The 45-70 is a little more versital in it can be loaded from a hot 45 Long colt round up to the bottom end of 458 Win mag and pointed bullets can be used to gain ground. 
So I'd say get both based on your hunting or shooting needs.  Heck there are enough for sale in the classifieds that getting a second barrel may make sence.  Maybe you will end up with three or four.  Everyone needs a 223 or a 22 hornet, and maybe a 308 as well as your brush thumper or two. 
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Re: 45-70 or 500 snw
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2008, 01:58:01 PM »
Here's are calculated exterior ballistics on both, they're as close to apples and apples as I can get as .500 S&W bullets don't come in the same weights as the 45-70, I've indicated the actual velocity in my rifles.

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Trajectory for Barnes .500 dia. 325 gr. XPB at 2150 Feet per Second estimated velocity
At an Elevation Angle of: 0 degrees
Ballistic Coefficients of: 0.228   0.228   0.228   0.228   0.228
Velocity Boundaries (Feet per Second) of: 2150   2150   2150   2150
Wind Direction is: 0.0 o'clock and a Wind Velocity of: 0.0 Miles per hour
Wind Components are (Miles per Hour): DownRange: 0.0   Cross Range: 0.0   Vertical: 0.0
Altitude: 0 Feet with a Standard Atmospheric Model.
Temperature: 59 F
Data Printed in English Units
Range   Velocity   Energy   Momentum   Drop   Bullet Path   Wind Drift   Time of Flight
(Yards)   (Ft/Sec)   (Ft/Lbs)   (Lb-Sec)   (inches)   (inches)   (inches)   (Seconds)
0   2150.0   3335.2   3.10   0.0   -1.5   0.0   0.000000000
25   2063.4   3072.0   2.98   -0.24   0.83   0.0   0.035608496
50   1978.9   2825.5   2.86   -0.99   2.65   0.0   0.072724527
75   1896.5   2595.2   2.74   -2.3   3.92   0.0   0.111439152
100   1816.4   2380.6   2.62   -4.21   4.58   0.0   0.151848741
125   1738.7   2181.2   2.51   -6.78   4.58   0.0   0.194053562
150   1663.5   1996.7   2.40   -10.07   3.86   0.0   0.238155946
175   1591.1   1826.7   2.30   -14.14   2.36   0.0   0.284258689
200   1521.7   1670.7   2.20   -19.08   0.0   0.0   0.332463791
225   1455.4   1528.3   2.10   -24.95   -3.3   0.0   0.382867855
250   1392.6   1399.2   2.01   -31.84   -7.62   0.0   0.435557761
275   1333.5   1283.0   1.92   -39.86   -13.07   0.0   0.490606244
300   1278.4    1179.    1.84   -49.1   -19.74     0.0   0.548063946


Trajectory for Hornady .500 dia. 350 gr. XTP-Mag at 2150 Feet per Second from my 22” Handi-Rifle
At an Elevation Angle of: 0 degrees
Ballistic Coefficients of: 0.145   0.145   0.145   0.145   0.145
Velocity Boundaries (Feet per Second) of: 2150   2150   2150   2150
Wind Direction is: 0.0 o'clock and a Wind Velocity of: 0.0 Miles per hour
Wind Components are (Miles per Hour): DownRange: 0.0   Cross Range: 0.0   Vertical: 0.0
Altitude: 0 Feet with a Standard Atmospheric Model.
Temperature: 59 F
Data Printed in English Units
Range   Velocity   Energy   Momentum   Drop   Bullet Path   Wind Drift   Time of Flight
(Yards)   (Ft/Sec)   (Ft/Lbs)   (Lb-Sec)   (inches)   (inches)   (inches)   (Seconds)
0   2150.0   3591.8   3.34   0.0   -1.5   0.0   0.000000000
25   2014.8   3154.2   3.13   -0.25   1.23   0.0   0.036036314
50   1884.8   2760.4   2.93   -1.03   3.42   0.0   0.074525045
75   1760.4   2408.0   2.74   -2.42   4.99   0.0   0.115702233
100   1642.3   2095.6   2.55   -4.52   5.87   0.0   0.159817765
125   1531.0   1821.4   2.38   -7.42   5.94   0.0   0.207124966
150   1427.7   1583.7   2.22   -11.25   5.08   0.0   0.257867723
175   1333.1   1380.8   2.07   -16.15   3.15   0.0   0.312254482
200   1248.4   1211.0   1.94   -22.27   0.0   0.0   0.370422892
225   1175.0   1072.9   1.83   -29.78   -4.54   0.0   0.432389169
250   1113.5   963.4   1.73   -38.87   -10.66   0.0   0.498008515
275   1063.1   878.3   1.65   -49.71   -18.53   0.0   0.566994680
300   1021.4   810.7   1.59   -62.47   -28.32   0.0   0.639008958



Trajectory for Custom .458 300gr Barnes TSX-FB at 2320 Feet per Second from my 24” SS Ultra
At an Elevation Angle of: 0 degrees
Ballistic Coefficients of: 0.23   0.23   0.23   0.23   0.23
Velocity Boundaries (Feet per Second) of: 2320   2320   2320   2320
Wind Direction is: 0.0 o'clock and a Wind Velocity of: 0.0 Miles per hour
Wind Components are (Miles per Hour): DownRange: 0.0   Cross Range: 0.0   Vertical: 0.0
Altitude: 0 Feet with a Standard Atmospheric Model.
Temperature: 59 F
Data Printed in English Units
Range   Velocity   Energy   Momentum   Drop   Bullet Path   Wind Drift   Time of Flight
(Yards)   (Ft/Sec)   (Ft/Lbs)   (Lb-Sec)   (inches)   (inches)   (inches)   (Seconds)
0   2320.0   3584.8   3.09   0.0   -1.5   0.0   0.000000000
25   2230.4   3313.4   2.97   -0.21   0.51   0.0   0.032970414
50   2142.8   3058.1   2.85   -0.85   2.08   0.0   0.067277169
75   2057.1   2818.4   2.74   -1.97   3.18   0.0   0.103000162
100   1973.5   2593.9   2.63   -3.6   3.76   0.0   0.140224050
125   1892.0   2384.1   2.52   -5.79   3.79   0.0   0.179038699
150   1812.7   2188.4   2.41   -8.58   3.21   0.0   0.219539103
175   1735.7   2006.5   2.31   -12.04   1.96   0.0   0.261823952
200   1661.3   1838.2   2.21   -16.22   0.0   0.0   0.305993865
225   1589.6   1682.9   2.12   -21.19   -2.75   0.0   0.352149875
250   1520.8   1540.4   2.03   -27.01   -6.36   0.0   0.400392165
275   1455.1   1410.2   1.94   -33.78   -10.91   0.0   0.450815554
300   1392.9   1292.1   1.86   -41.57   -16.49   0.0   0.503505340

Trajectory for Custom .458 350gr Barnes TSX-FB at 2150 Feet per Second 24” Barrel (Barnes data)
At an Elevation Angle of: 0 degrees
Ballistic Coefficients of: 0.271   0.271   0.271   0.271   0.271
Velocity Boundaries (Feet per Second) of: 2150   2150   2150   2150
Wind Direction is: 0.0 o'clock and a Wind Velocity of: 0.0 Miles per hour
Wind Components are (Miles per Hour): DownRange: 0.0   Cross Range: 0.0   Vertical: 0.0
Altitude: 0 Feet with a Standard Atmospheric Model.
Temperature: 59 F
Data Printed in English Units
Range   Velocity   Energy   Momentum   Drop   Bullet Path   Wind Drift   Time of Flight
(Yards)   (Ft/Sec)   (Ft/Lbs)   (Lb-Sec)   (inches)   (inches)   (inches)   (Seconds)
0   2150.0   3591.8   3.34   0.0   -1.5   0.0   0.000000000
25   2077.0   3352.1   3.23   -0.24   0.74   0.0   0.035491596
50   2005.5   3125.2   3.12   -0.98   2.47   0.0   0.072239689
75   1935.5   2910.8   3.01   -2.27   3.66   0.0   0.110307790
100   1867.0   2708.5   2.90   -4.13   4.28   0.0   0.149762715
125   1800.2   2518.0   2.80   -6.62   4.26   0.0   0.190674115
150   1735.0   2339.1   2.70   -9.78   3.58   0.0   0.233113540
175   1671.7   2171.5   2.60   -13.66   2.18   0.0   0.277153580
200   1610.3   2015.0   2.50   -18.32   0.0   0.0   0.322867034
225   1551.0   1869.3   2.41   -23.81   -3.02   0.0   0.370326571
250   1493.9   1734.1   2.32   -30.21   -6.94   0.0   0.419602392
275   1439.1   1609.2   2.24   -37.58   -11.84   0.0   0.470759893
300   1386.8   1494.3   2.16   -46.0   -17.78   0.0   0.523857870











Trajectory for Custom .458 300gr Nosler PP at 2425 Feet per Second from my 22” Handi-Rifle
At an Elevation Angle of: 0 degrees
Ballistic Coefficients of: 0.199   0.199   0.199   0.199   0.199
Velocity Boundaries (Feet per Second) of: 2425   2425   2425   2425
Wind Direction is: 0.0 o'clock and a Wind Velocity of: 0.0 Miles per hour
Wind Components are (Miles per Hour): DownRange: 0.0   Cross Range: 0.0   Vertical: 0.0
Altitude: 0 Feet with a Standard Atmospheric Model.
Temperature: 59 F
Data Printed in English Units
Range   Velocity   Energy   Momentum   Drop   Bullet Path   Wind Drift   Time of Flight
(Yards)   (Ft/Sec)   (Ft/Lbs)   (Lb-Sec)   (inches)   (inches)   (inches)   (Seconds)
0   2425.0   3916.6   3.23   0.0   -1.5   0.0   0.000000000
25   2319.1   3581.9   3.09   -0.19   0.42   0.0   0.031626727
50   2215.7   3269.9   2.95   -0.78   1.93   0.0   0.064713007
75   2115.0   2979.2   2.82   -1.82   3.0   0.0   0.099358904
100   2016.9   2709.3   2.69   -3.34   3.58   0.0   0.135672691
125   1921.6   2459.3   2.56   -5.4   3.63   0.0   0.173770190
150   1829.2   2228.4   2.44   -8.05   3.1   0.0   0.213775347
175   1739.9   2016.1   2.32   -11.34   1.91   0.0   0.255818734
200   1653.9   1821.9   2.20   -15.36   0.0   0.0   0.300034459
225   1571.7   1645.1   2.09   -20.17   -2.7   0.0   0.346557392
250   1493.3   1485.2   1.99   -25.86   -6.28   0.0   0.395520262
275   1419.3   1341.7   1.89   -32.52   -10.84   0.0   0.447045816
300   1350.0   1213.9   1.80   -40.26   -16.47   0.0   0.501239690

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