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Gonna try fitting a barrel
« on: September 17, 2008, 06:00:09 AM »
Since I'm holding off on sending my friend's Ultra to remington to replace the .308 barrel, I thought I'd try my hand at fitting the .270 barrel I picked up here at GB's to his action.  I read and reread the FAQ's and was going to ask Tim a couple of (more) questions, but I thought I'd just put it out there for general discussion!   ;)

The barrel face is all trued up and the gap measured at .0025 - .003.  I've got the JB Weld, feeler gauge shim... and 2 questions.

Why do you heat the shim up to red and let air cool?  Just to remove the temper or so it will take a set when you fit it to the underlug?

You (Tim) let the shim/JB Weld cure off the rifle with a jig holding the shim in place.  Why not just mount it to the action to cure?  After a release agent is properly applied to the pin area of course!   ;D
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Re: Gonna try fitting a barrel
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2008, 06:42:58 AM »
There are lots of options to fitting a barrel, the reason for annealing the shim is so it will stay positioned easier until I can clamp it into position, it will want to move around and may not be where I want it once there's a slippery gob of epoxy behind it!! :o

Some members have used just epoxy with no shim at all as you suggested, I just like a metal to metal fit so it wears better from opening and closing.

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Re: Gonna try fitting a barrel
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2008, 06:48:21 AM »
My .357 barrel fit tight to the frame.  Couldn't pull a .002 shim out, but it rattled at the pivot.  I said, Pete sit down, have a beer and think about this."  So, I had a beer, cut the can, wrapped a shim around the pivot and now it's one of the best if not the best shooter I own.  It shot well before the adjustment.  I know, one day soon, I'll have to do it more seriously, but it is working for now.  You may want to try it before you get to the epoxy stage, I'll buy the beer!  Also, check with Tim, he's come up with an epoxy more durable than JB.  It's Super Weld I think, but I can't remember who makes it.
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Re: Gonna try fitting a barrel
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2008, 07:55:07 AM »
I added the Super Weld link to the barrel fitting info when I discovered it a month or two ago, seems to be good stuff, I've not used it on a barrel fitting yet, but I did attach a forend stud with it, seems to work fine so far. It's made marketed by the makers of Goop.

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Re: Gonna try fitting a barrel
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2008, 08:00:05 AM »
Thanks Tim, CRS had gotten me again!  Pete ???
Keep both eyes open and make the first shot good.
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Re: Gonna try fitting a barrel
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2008, 08:25:30 AM »
I read y'alls posts yesterday.  Sorry I didn't answer right away, but I left work early to go to the range.  Still working on loads for deer season which starts in 4 weeks minus!

Well, driving home yesterday I couldn't stop thinking about fitting that barrel.  So I figured I'd do that instead of going to the range.  I had looked up the reference to the "Goop" super weld, but had JB at home so I decided I'd just use that.   I also thought about Pete's interesting idea of wrapping the pin so I stopped and picked up a case of cans.  I wanted to be sure to have plenty of material to experiment with!    :)

After quickly readying the first beer can for the operation, I cut a strip out and measured it's thickness with  my calipers; .005!  TWICE the thickness I needed!   :o  I soon abandoned the idea of trying to slice the strip in half widthwise, but only after learing how thin a layer of skin can be cut from the human thumb.  I then embarked on a quality control check of the cans used by the Miller Brewing Company.

As best I remember it must be pretty good as I don't think I ever found a can made of metal less then .005 inch thick...  I did learn, however, that dial calipers get hard to read after the sixth or seventh time you measure beer cans with them...  :-[

So Pete, I abandoned your method.  But it was not all for nought!  As soon as I woke up I used one of the beer can clippings as a template for my shim.  I cut the shim out, checked the fit, heated it to  cherry red, note:  use something other then your fingers to hold the shim when you do this or it will add new meaning to the term "getting all fired up!" prebent the shim, roughed up the contacting surfaces, mixed up the JB, spread it on the underlug, stuck the two together, fiddled with making something to hold them together, got mad (my head was killing me!) and just locked the barrel on the receiver and went to bed.

This morning I went down to my gun room to check on my handy (PUN!!!) work.  About the time I walked in I saw a can of release agent sitting on my work bench and realised I forgot to spray down the pin area before clamping that JB oozing underlug to the pin!   :o  But not to worry, it (the rifle) broke apart with only an estimated 60-80 pounds of pressure simultaneously applied to the barrel and stock with the pin area resting on a concrete block...  <I sure am glad this ain't my rifle!   8) >

The end result?  The action and barrel clamp together tighter then a virgin's knees!   ;D  I know the barrel face is square with the standing breach and I can't wait to get her to the range!

With my new-found barrel fitting confidence a whole new world of possibilities has opened up for me!  I no longer fear the barrel for sale adds in the handi classifieds!  I need 30/30, 44 Mag, BC 45/70, and 25/06 barrels for starters!   :P
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Re: Gonna try fitting a barrel
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2008, 08:35:50 AM »
You did goood Grasshopper !  ;D , Its not too bad once you get your feet wet doing one . Now to start shopping .  ;)

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Re: Gonna try fitting a barrel
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2008, 09:31:26 AM »
Richard, sorry the beverage can didn't work, but I wouldn't charge you anything to come and help you get rid of the surplus material ::)
Keep both eyes open and make the first shot good.
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Re: Gonna try fitting a barrel
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2008, 10:41:13 AM »
The end result?  The action and barrel clamp together tighter then a virgin's knees!   ;D  I know the barrel face is square with the standing breach and I can't wait to get her to the range!


Good on ya!!! The first time is a real nail biter, not unlike doing your first trigger job, they get easier once that first one is outa the way!! ;D

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Re: Gonna try fitting a barrel
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2008, 10:47:23 AM »
...help you get rid of the surplus material ::)

Surplus??   ???  Sorry, I'm Irish/English... Probably why I'm always fighting with myself... Anyway, my Daddy always said anything you want to preserve you pickle in al-kee-haul, why do you think I look so good?  I drink till I run out or pass out... or both... Surplus....  silly boy!   ;D
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Re: Gonna try fitting a barrel
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2008, 04:46:32 AM »
Sorry to resurrect an old thread,  :-[  but I finally got time to upload the picture of the first group I fired with the newly fitted 270 barrel.  My note says Rem but they were actually 130 gr. Federal Factory loads.  I don't have time to do a handload workup before deer season so I fell back on the "Dean's" (Jack O'Connor for you kids...) favorite 130 gr. load and promptly shot 4 - 3 round groups, the lagest measuring 1.5 inches.   ;D

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Re: Gonna try fitting a barrel
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2008, 05:21:28 AM »
That otta take care of the deer for this season!  Long as ya don't try to make to many more "shims" before you go hunting ;D.  DP
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Re: Gonna try fitting a barrel
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2008, 07:37:35 AM »
That otta take care of the deer for this season!

I hope so!  Remember, it's a friend's rifle and I couldn't get it's 308 barrel to shoot so I bought the 270 barrel off the forum to try my hand at fitting.  The previous owner said it was a 1.5 inch shooter, and he appears to be correct!   ;D

I Just got off the phone with my hunting buddy.  He and the 3d member of our little group have been out doing a little neighborhood improvement around their stands and checking the zero on their rifles.  He's all bent outa shape 'cause he can't get his M77 to shoot.   ::)  Shot up all his ammo and wanted me to load some for him to try.  (I worked up a load for that rifle years ago)  Boy is he going to be supprised when I give him his "new" Handi along with a box of ammo!   :D

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Long as ya don't try to make to many more "shims" before you go hunting ;D.  DP

I wish you hadn't a said that!   :(  I ran out of shim material last night and they don't sell it on Sundays here in Jawja!   :'(  Guess I'll have to hit the ol' likker closit tonight... the 'speramentin never stops with these guns   ;D
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Re: Gonna try fitting a barrel
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2008, 07:43:35 AM »
I drank my life's quota earliy in life, ::) so that should leave more for the rest of ya! ;D  DP
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Re: Gonna try fitting a barrel
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2008, 10:54:31 AM »
You know you can order shim stock in almost any thickness from places like Mcmaster-carr

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Re: Gonna try fitting a barrel
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2008, 11:36:49 AM »
"Always do right, this will gratify some and astonish the rest" -  Mark Twain

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Re: Gonna try fitting a barrel
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2008, 03:22:43 PM »
You know you can order shim stock in almost any thickness from places like Mcmaster-carr
Nah!  That's to easy...  I've made it my life's mission to measure the thickness of the material used to make containers for known brewed beverages!   ;D
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Re: Gonna try fitting a barrel
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2008, 03:52:56 PM »
Are Lite's thinner?
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Re: Gonna try fitting a barrel
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2008, 04:20:47 PM »
Are Lite's thinner?
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Ah geeeeese!  another test!   ::)  I tell ya, this is a man's job...  ;D
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Re: Gonna try fitting a barrel
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2008, 11:13:01 AM »
Don't panic, we've got eight or nine new local shim testers hard at work..........OH, you'd better make it eight.  One fell in the beaver pond and we haven't found him yet.  We just found an old Fallstaff can floating, so he must have been down for a while!
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Re: Gonna try fitting a barrel
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2008, 04:37:10 PM »
We just found an old Fallstaff can floating,
Fallstaff!   :o  And the malt cans!  And the hi-grav brews!  And they're gonna start importing Yungling into Jawja!  Oh the pain...the pain  :(  I hope somebody appreciates the depth of the research I do for his forum!   :-[
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