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Mixed hs brass
« on: January 24, 2009, 01:21:05 PM »
For general reloading purposes does using different kinds of brass really make an appreciable difference in accuracy? Charlie
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Re: Mixed hs brass
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2009, 01:46:25 PM »
With revolvers and semiauto handguns no not really within reason. With bottleneck cases YES it sure can and very often does. They even often have different safe max loads.


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Re: Mixed hs brass
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2009, 03:30:33 PM »
I agree with Bill.

 If your loading pistol/revolver plinking/lite loads. Grab any case and be happy.

 Rifle stuff, its best to keep like head stamps together. Biggest difference is case asp, as Bill mentioned. Work up a max or near max load in a larger cap case and then drop the hammer on same load if a small cap case. You could very well be in the danger zone for pressures. IMHO, its just not worth the risk...

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Re: Mixed hs brass
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2009, 07:26:35 PM »
  All you need to do is weigh a few cases from different makers and you will see a big difference.It might not mean to much for plinking ammo,BUT...

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Re: Mixed hs brass
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2009, 03:44:45 PM »
Thanks for the replies. Good info.
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Re: Mixed hs brass
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2009, 03:55:20 PM »
One more question. If you checked case capacity on the different brass and it was the same could it be reloaded the same? Charlie
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Re: Mixed hs brass
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2009, 07:43:44 PM »
Yes.  Case capacity as measured by filling with water is a statement of case volume.  Two cases that have the same weight (within measurement errors) will also have the same capacity, and will take the same load.
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Re: Mixed hs brass
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2009, 08:57:52 PM »
Just IMHO, but -----------------------------------

For just general banging, I don't worry about mixed brass for the handguns.

And for reduced "banger" loads on the rifles, no big thing, but if you are dealing with loads of normal hunting pressures, you had better pay attention to keeping the brass sorted by brand AND LOT #!!!!!

For example, I was once working up loads for a son's 30/06, using his supply of Remington brass.

Well, in the series of tests I wanted to run, I was short on cases.

So I went to the brass box, rumaged through until I found a bunch of Rem. 06 brass and then just to make things as equal as possible sorted them out to the same head stamp style as the brass my son had.

Now, if you have loaded for awhile, you should have noted that head stamp styles do change at times.

I trimmed the "odd" cases to proper trim length and added them to the cases to be used for the test series.

I did keep track of which cases were which for some reason, and those cases were in the two groups loaded at the higher pressure levels.

When those groups were fired, it was clear something was wrong. The odd cases showed pressure and threw those shots out of the groups.

One case which I still have years later, using it as a show and tell example, has a primer which looks like it was rivited into the primer pocket, the case head shows where the brass flowed into the ejector hole and the case streached - in one shot - beyond the " to be trimmed length" Remember, the case was trimmed to proper trim length before loading this test load.

Plus, the case shows the the typical ring of an about to "head seperate" case.

There were no fliers and/or pressure signs with any of the shots - at those higher pressures, shot with the cases from the original batch of cases!  Only with the 2 or 3 "odd" cases in each of those last two, 5 shot groups

The point is, like brand and head type styles are not enough in some cases.

Clearly this odd group of Remington cases were MUCH thicker walled then the rest of our cases and thereby created VERY HIGH pressures.

If I would have weighed the cases, I could have used that as an indication, but that was years before my digital scale.

So again the Point is, For typical hunting loads, keep the brass separated by brand, times fired AND lot numbers.

If you buy brass, buy in quanities making sure as far as possibly that the lot numbers are the same.

The more the better, and if using brass from boxes of 20, be aware of the possible manufacturing differences from lot to lot.

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Re: Mixed hs brass
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2009, 01:31:47 AM »
DD,
 GREAT read, excellent points!!
 Lot numbers is something new loaders usually never even think about. There are also lot numbers on powder and Primers. All top/maxi loads should also be reduced and reworked up when changing lot numbers.


One more question. If you checked case capacity on the different brass and it was the same could it be reloaded the same? Charlie

 Why go to this trouble, all over again??? It's already done for you.. it's even labeled on EVERY CASE!!!  It's called the HEADSTAMP!  ::) ::) ;D ::)
 IMHO, don't try to reinvent the wheel here. Just take our advice, in handguns when shooting LITE /Plinking loads, mix away. ALL others don't mix.

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Re: Mixed hs brass
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2009, 05:17:53 AM »
to me it is a matter of what i want the ammo for and what i expect out of it. I never load to max pressures in anything so small differences in brass arent going to get me in trouble. If you have an accuracy standard that isnt real anal you can get away with it. I load alot of 308 for black guns and for them i dont really care and even with mixed brass they shoot 1 1/2 inch at a hundred yards and thats good enough for anything there used for. When it comes to loading for my heavy barreled bolt I get more anal. Id say on an average it opens up groups by about a 1/4 of an inch at a 100 yards by mixing brass. If that matters to you then seperate them. You will also find differnces in the same headstamped brass. Every lot will be slightly different so for my bolts i even weight brass that is the same headstamp and check for variations and sort it occordingly.
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