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Offline kgarner

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please help with handi
« on: August 26, 2008, 04:25:20 PM »
I have a handi in 223 REM. I cannot get it to group at all. I have had had the fore end bedded, I've cleaned it well, it locks up tight and have had two different scopes on it and it still will not group. The barrell has got some tool marks in it, but otherwise clean.

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Re: please help with handi
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2008, 04:28:42 PM »
Welcome to GBO! Please read the Handi Basics 101 and spend some time in the FAQs and Help sticky reading the Accurizing section, everything you need to get it shooting good is in there.  ;)

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Re: please help with handi
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2008, 06:50:44 PM »
You didn't say anything about the gun.
Is it a Superlight, standard contour or bull barrel??
what ammo have you tried??
Have you tried shooting it with the forearm on and off to see if it made a difference??

Give us some info and maybe someone on here can give you some suggestions.

Like Tim said, read the FAQ's for ideas also.

In general, the .223's seem to shoot well so maybe it's just a matter of tinkering with yours a little.


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Re: please help with handi
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2008, 09:17:50 AM »
don't want to seem like a scope snob particularly in a light recoil rifle like a 223, and particularly since I don't know what scope you have.  But the two most common cause of accuracy problems in a rifle (aside from bad ammo) are scope rings, and scopes.  I had a buddy who had a similar problem with a sweet 22-250 he had and it finally turned out to be a issue with the base and the rings.

Yep we deffinantly need more ammo, er I mean info, when you get done reading the 101.

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Re: please help with handi
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2008, 10:42:13 AM »
I have a Handi Rifle, serial HX 3082XX, with sporting-taper barrel and stained birch stocking, chambered to the .223 Remington cartridge.  This rifle is mated to a 3 x 9 40mm Tasco Bucksight scope using medium-height Leupold aluminum ring mounts.

Prior to shooting the rifle, I cleaned the bore throughly with an old product that Remington used to market as Remington Bore Cleaner.  This stuff feels kind of like "Soft Scrub" household cleaner.  I also used Simple Green to degrease the locking surfaces of the rifle.  I removed the scope mounting base, degreased it and the barrel, and re-installed it using blue Loc-Tite brand thread locking adhesive.

Initial shooting was done with Remington / UMC 55gr. FMJ and the results were dismal.  The rifle patterned, rather than grouped, through two boxes of the stuff.  It started to settle down a bit through the third and fourth boxes.  I used the fifth box to fire four groups of five shots each that would go into the rifle's range notebook for future comparison.  The smallest of those was 2.00" c-t-c and the largest was 3 7/8" c-t-c.

I aquired 100 rounds of Winchester USA 62 gr FMJ for the next outing.  It made all of the difference in the world.  The rifle is a solid MOA shooter with that fodder.  It also happens to shoot Federal's 60 gr Partition load in .223 equally well, and, as an added bonus, it shoots them to the same 100 yard point of aim.

The list of factory fodder this rifle likes is a short one.  The list of stuff it doesn't like is very, very long.  It remains entirely capable of shooting very large groups with ammo it doesn't like.

My advice to the original poster would be that he try a variety of loads before giving up on the rifle.  He might find a couple, as I did, that turn his Handi-Rifle from a not exactly inexpensive mistake to a rewarding piece of kit that is satisfyingly accurate and very pleasurable to shoot.

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Re: please help with handi
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2008, 12:26:51 PM »
MY barrel is a bull barrel.Ihave shot several factory loads and my reloads ranging from 45 grs. 75 grs.The scope is a Tasco 6-24 power.The bases came with the  rifle.Thanks for all the help so far.

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Re: please help with handi
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2008, 12:51:43 PM »
As GOB mentioned, I'd not limit your search for the culprit to the rifle itself, there have been a lot of Tasco scopes sold after the original Tasco went out of business that were junk, they didn't aquire the nickname Trashco for nothing, I wouldn't rely on it to be faultless. If you can't get it to shoot better using the FAQ tips, I'd mount a known good scope using the scope bases mounting tips in the FAQs, it doesn't have to be a high powered scope, a 3-9x will allow you to shoot excellent groups at 100yds.  ;)

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Re: please help with handi
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2008, 04:16:06 AM »
I don't know the policy on posting redirects to places selling stuff on the board so I will mention this.  You can get a Sightron S1 3-9x40in a Plex, Mildot, or hunter holdover recticle from midwayusa for $129.99 plus shipping with a lifetime warranty from Sightron.  It is their "starting line" scope and I have seen them used VERY accurately on everything from 22s to 30-06s.  On a 308 the Mildot recticle on the S1 beats scopes that are three times the price IMHO.  Yeah yeah it doesn't have the clarity of a Luepold, a Sightron S3, or a Zeiss, but you aren't paying that price for it and the clarity is still danged good, in fact it is FANTASTIC compared to Tasco and Redfield.

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Re: please help with handi
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2008, 07:35:19 AM »
Did you check to make sure that the scope base was tight before you mounted the scope?  Sometimes the allen head screws can back out under recoil... (not that a .223 is a monster) If the bases are loose (and they don't have to be very loose) that could explain the problem.  What I would do is take the rings off.  Take off the base.  Use a very small dab of blue locktite (just a dab) on each screw and re-tighten the base onto the bbl.  Then make sure you have some quality rings, preferably steel, leupold, millett, burris (should run about $20.00) and then mount a different scope than the tasco onto it.  (I had a tasco 6-24 varmint scope that I took back to the gunshop in exchange for a BSA 3.5-10 Catseye that I love)

Once you've done this try several different brands of ammo w/ several different types of bullet weights to determine if the issue is the mounting or the gun.  I'm able to give this advice as I had a Rossi .243 that wouldn't hit the broad side of the barn until I figured out the screws were coming loose under recoil and that the holes for the base were drilled crooked.  I bought some windage adjustable rings (Millett) and tried a lot of different ammo until I got it to shoot 1moa @ 100yrs. 

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Re: please help with handi
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2008, 04:02:42 PM »
1. try an o-ring in the forend
2. try the scope on a rifle you know is accurate before you buy another
3. look at the pattern of powder residue at the muzzle. if it isn't a uniform pattern then you might need to recrown the muzzle
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