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Offline Freezer

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What's the difference?
« on: July 11, 2008, 05:25:18 PM »
   In these days of gun control and gun phobia what is the difference between an arsenal and a collection?  I think I may have crossed the line some time ago ;D
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Re: What's the difference?
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2008, 06:06:42 PM »
Well, it's not really even a distinction in truth.  2 guns constitutes both an aresenal and a collection.  All just a matter of size.

Though, in our semantics happy society, I do like having my C&R license.  That way when I mention the number of guns I own I can tack on that I'm a "licensed collector".  Even semi-gun phobic people seem to react well to that :S.
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Re: What's the difference?
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2008, 07:31:30 PM »
Quote from: Freezer on July 11, 2008, 05:25:18 PM
   In these days of gun control and gun phobia what is the difference between an arsenal and a collection?  I think I may have crossed the line some time ago ;D

From what I can determine, an arsenal is considered to be more than X number of rifles in the same cartridge.  A collection is having more than one weapon, generally along the same concept.  IE single shots, various military style, rifles of the same make and model, etc.  A collection of firearms directed toward a theme.  I'm not sure of the exact number of rifles of the same caliber to be considered an arsenal by BATF, yet somehow I'm of the impression that it is 6 or more.  I could be wrong on the quantity needed to be considered an arsenal, but I do remember that it was a definite quantity and not very many to my way of thinking.
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Re: What's the difference?
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2008, 07:41:25 PM »
Holly crap 6.  Is that all.  Now I have an arsenal.  Well I guess two.  One of 22LR rifles and pistols and the other of BB guns. ;D
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Re: What's the difference?
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2008, 04:04:51 AM »
I have an Arsenal also according to that. No 6.
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Re: What's the difference?
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2008, 01:02:19 PM »
    Six in the same caliber :o  Does that include .22lrs ::)  Oh am I in trouble  :-[ 
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Re: What's the difference?
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2008, 04:16:08 PM »
It is my understanding that an arsenal by BATF's standards constitute centerfire only.  However, knowing BATF mentality and liberal bureaucrats in government, that could have changed to inlude rimfire.  Again, I am not positive regarding the quantity of same cartridges rifles which constitute and arsenal.  I think it is time to find out.  Maybe a BATF website wil have the answer.  I do remember thinking it was not very many and was surprised at the number. 
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Re: What's the difference?
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2008, 07:30:03 AM »
IMO, it's some hotshot talking head's choice that wants convict somebody before the jury gets enpaneled.  :(
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Re: What's the difference?
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2008, 11:23:12 PM »
Hmmm more coruption of the English language  ::) an arsenal was where Guns were made and stored Like Woolwich and Springfield.
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Re: What's the difference?
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2008, 05:17:52 AM »
 :( You think you have it bad!!

I am allowed to have 4 guns - that is it - total 4.  >:(

One hand weapon and 2 rifles and a shot gun or 3 rifles. And then not of the same
calibre or even closed - no 30-06 and 308. No No!.

I can do a dedicated hunters course and then I am allowed more than 4, but still not close to each other
and I have to motivate each one before I might get a license.

Oh yes and every 5 years I have to re-apply again for the ones I have.

Cheers
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Re: What's the difference?
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2008, 09:38:14 AM »
Quote from: Sweet 6.5 on July 14, 2008, 05:17:52 AM
:( You think you have it bad!!

I am allowed to have 4 guns - that is it - total 4.  >:(

One hand weapon and 2 rifles and a shot gun or 3 rifles. And then not of the same
calibre or even closed - no 30-06 and 308. No No!.

I can do a dedicated hunters course and then I am allowed more than 4, but still not close to each other
and I have to motivate each one before I might get a license.

Oh yes and every 5 years I have to re-apply again for the ones I have.

Cheers
Sweet

I feel empathy for you.  I have researched BATF and cannot find any info regarding the quantity of firearms permitted by federal law, or any restrictions on quantity of the same cartridge chambered rifles on its website.  That does not mean that federal restrictions doesn't exist or does exist, but I could not locate any restriction or prohibition.  I do remember clearly in my early 20's though of reading the arsenal definition defined in legal terms, but don't remember where or how many.  BATF does have a definition of Collector on its website under regulation definitions.  Just an update on accuracy of my post.
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Re: What's the difference?
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2008, 09:55:34 AM »
Quote from: deltecs on July 14, 2008, 09:38:14 AM
I feel empathy for you.  I have researched BATF and cannot find any info regarding the quantity of firearms permitted by federal law, or any restrictions on quantity of the same cartridge chambered rifles on its website.  That does not mean that federal restrictions doesn't exist or does exist, but I could not locate any restriction or prohibition.  I do remember clearly in my early 20's though of reading the arsenal definition defined in legal terms, but don't remember where or how many.  BATF does have a definition of Collector on its website under regulation definitions.  Just an update on accuracy of my post.

As of right now there are no Federal laws governing how many guns you can have and in what chamberings - one friend of mine at work owns over 300 guns.  That is mind boggling even for myself (I've got a little over 25), but the way he explained it when he was young he was in the Navy, and since he wasn't married yet at that time, and the Navy paid for all his food/lodging, his paycheck was essentially free to spend on whatever he wanted, so he bought another gun almost every payday.  Since he rarely sold any of them, he's still got a lot of them left over (and he's making a pretty good salary now so he still buys quite a few). 

My guess though, is that Sweet 6.5 is living somewhere other than the US, so BATF regulations would not be the governing law :).
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Re: What's the difference?
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2008, 11:20:03 AM »
According to his details, he is from South Africa.  I have a very good friend there too and confirmed the info posted is accurate for South Africa.
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Re: What's the difference?
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2008, 12:30:03 PM »
The BATF doesn't seem to do a very good job of letting the public know what the laws are.

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Re: What's the difference?
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2008, 01:13:31 PM »
    The reason for the post is that every time the media reports on a bust where there are firearms involved the say, "An arsenal of weapons were confiscated".  The definitions I found speak for an arsenal being owned by a country and/or in a military scenario.  Our brilliant journalists hard at work again!
     In my opinion a collection is what you show folks when they come over to admire your guns, the arsenal is what they don't get to see ;D
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Re: What's the difference?
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2008, 03:24:59 PM »
Quote from: Freezer on July 14, 2008, 01:13:31 PM
    The reason for the post is that every time the media reports on a bust where there are firearms involved the say, "An arsenal of weapons were confiscated".  The definitions I found speak for an arsenal being owned by a country and/or in a military scenario.  Our brilliant journalists hard at work again!
     In my opinion a collection is what you show folks when they come over to admire your guns, the arsenal is what they don't get to see ;D

I like your definition. 
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Re: What's the difference?
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2008, 03:15:31 AM »
As described by the news media:

More than a single firearm:  Gun Arsenal.
Rifle w/telescopic sight: Sniper Rifle
Any non-manual repeating rifle: Assault Rifle

As described by almost everyone else:

More than a single firearm: Gun Collection
Rifle w/telescopic sight: Hunting rifle
Any non-manual repeating rifle:  Nice !   :D
Beer fart:  Weapon of Mass Destruction  ;)

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