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Squirrels and an occasional coon...
« on: January 03, 2008, 06:43:54 AM »

   I have bred, raised and hunted  Airedales and Jack Russells in the past..and I was pleased and happy with both..and now all we have is my wife's Peke dustmop in the house and an old, deaf Cairn terrier in the yard.
   I want to get into squirrel hunting and an occasional coon..Problem is, I want a smaller smooth coat, house, companion dog (under 30#), but I am 71 and would hate to be in the woods with a dog stuck in the earth (so the JRs are out, unless too big for an earthdog).
   
   Been thinking feist, Jadgt or smaller cur.. roughly 17-30 lbs. What do you guys think ?

     I am located in rural western NY state and can't justify more than $ 200-$250 for one...Is there anything soon available in the east that you can tell me about ?
   Closer better, but don't mind travelling to a southern breeder...especially in the next couple months...LOL

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Re: Squirrels and an occasional coon...
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2008, 05:11:24 PM »
There are lots of cur and feist breeders who ship.  From my study, I don't know if a jagd would be a great house companion but I'd like to try.  I've got a little bmc cur that just turned a year and she fits most of your description but I think she is smaller than most of them at 35 pounds.  I'd strongly recommend a feist to you.  There is a fellow (I think even from NY) over on sqdog.com who should be a great help.  He is a regular contributor over there and shouldn't be hard to find.  I believe his name is GregI haven't visited the site recently but highly recommend it, especially for breed choosing and then locating a close pup.  Good luck.

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Re: Squirrels and an occasional coon...
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2008, 05:12:59 PM »
I'll give that a try Horsepower..thanks..
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Re: Squirrels and an occasional coon...
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2008, 07:31:40 AM »
ironglow, I am happy to read that you are older than me. That way if we have to wrestle over disagreeing on something I have a better chance. Gulp! I hope.
Down here we have rat terriers, Jack Russells, BM curs, and so on in the papers everyday. Us southerners like our dogs I guess. I use a Jack Russell for squirrel, hogs, and any thing else foolish enough to stay on the ground when he's around.
Hope you find a dog. If not email me, and I'll look down here for ya.
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Re: Squirrels and an occasional coon...
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2008, 12:58:43 PM »
  Thanks Dee;

  Although we have quite a few coon hunters around here, I well know the attachment of Southerners with their dogs.
    Actually, I spent some years of my life in Texas..In the 1950s, I was stationed at Ft Hood and Ft Sam Houston and had
  Texan friends that used to have me at their homes and ranches in places like Llano and Robert Lee Tx.
       Late 60s and early 70s I lived in Vidor, near Beaumont  and I worked "high steel" then..painting tanks, towers, bridges etc.

   Texans, especially small town/rural folks are great people..very friendly..and always have the coffee pot on..

  Some of the cities are a bit different.".furriners", you know...LOL

  I have a couple brothers in the Bridge City area yet (that's on the gulf and hard up against Louisianna)
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Re: Squirrels and an occasional coon...
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2008, 04:07:38 AM »
Squirrel Dog Central, http://www.sqdog.com/ ,is the best tree dog site on the web.  Folks are friendly and love to help new comers.  I seen lots of free dogs given to new hunters and I am sure someone would be willing to get a good dog to you within your budget.

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Re: Squirrels and an occasional coon...
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2008, 01:32:05 PM »
Hey guys,
 
I have a young female half Pit and half Boston Terrier that I would place with someone without charge--except for coming and getting her.  She probably weighs about 30 pounds and is black and white spotted.  I've had half Pits that would hunt/tree.  I've seen Bostons tree squirrels.  Both breeds hark back to the old English Terriers.

Her daddy, the Pit, is just a big cream puff.  Not a vicious bone in his body.  She is penned with him now.

I've also got two small, young Jack Russell Terriers that I rescued.  Both are available.

I've also got a young Boston Terrier female available--to a good home!

No breeders.
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Re: Squirrels and an occasional coon...
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2008, 02:25:39 PM »
 Appreciate the offer Ray, if I were able to get away  right now, I may be interested in one of those Jacks..
  I'll have to see when I can get away..
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Re: Squirrels and an occasional coon...
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2008, 10:06:01 AM »
Ironglow,

What you might be more interested in is this:

Two years ago this month, my niece found what appeared to be a half Pit Bull female puppy in the parking lot of her apartment complex.  Without going into the whole story, I wound up with her.  She was in good flesh but almost frozen to death, and no one would claim her.

I raised her, and, true to my notion that a person's best dogs seem to just turn up, she is a great dog.  She proves my notion that the best way to get a good reputation as a dog trainer is to find a dog that is smart enough to learn stuff on its own and, then, let on like you taught it everything it knows. 

I haven't hunted her much, but, when I have, she stays close and there is very little danger of losing her.  She isn't much for tracking: she sight hunts.  That, and her appearance, lead me to believe that she is Pit crossed with one of the Grayhound breeds.
She may be Grayhound or possibly Italian Gh or Whippet.  She isn't real large.  She probably approaches 40 pounds.  She is fast and agile.

I have her--her name is Stretch--penned with a really classy, tight-wound Jack Russell male--his name is Jack Daniel--and I intend to raise a litter of puppies from the two of them.  Varmint dogs?  The pups should be just about the right size and have the right instincts to do Squirrels, Rabbits, 'possums, or 'coons. 

Speaking of 'coondogs, did I ever tell you about my Grandpa's 'coondog?  It was in the early 1900's, and he and his family--my mother was his oldest child--were living in Big Coon Valley in Jackson County, Alabama.  The 'coons had a tendency to visit his corn field, but he had a "little white fiest" and a .12 gauge single-barreled shotgun.  The little dog would heel.  Grandpa would take the shotgun, heel the fiest, and walk slowly and quietly down the corn rows--listening.  When he heard a 'coon shucking corn, he would sic the fiest.  The fiest would bay the 'coon, and grandpa would use the shotgun.  What's wrong with having another skin and a meal of young 'coon?
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Re: Squirrels and an occasional coon...
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2008, 01:44:05 PM »
  Ray;
     That cross sounds like an interesting combination..of course, it could go in any direction..yet there are bound to be a couple natural hunters in the litter.
   Actually, the breeding of those two would contain the same roots a some of the Feists do..

   I sure enjoy the old stories about how our parents/grandparents hunted and "made do" when the times were tough. My Dad had a dog just about the time I was born (great depression era) that was a brindle Pit Bull. He called him "Tige"..for the tiger stripes, I guess. Tige was apparently a real good coon dog and helped through those hard times as you mentioned..a little meat and hide came in handy in those lean years. When I grew up and had my own family started..after owning many good coon dogs,
  Dad spoke especially fondly of only two of them.."Bo" a dog my older brother found in Waycross, Ga and shipped home to him ..and good old "Tige" !
   
     Dad had another young dog that was proving to be a real great hunter, but he lost him one night..never saw "Elmer" again. Elmer believe it or not was a cross between my uncle's two farm dogs..and Airedale male and a Springer Spaniel female. The dog looked, acted and had the grit of a 100% Airedale, except as I recall, a bit more "compact" in size (est. 40#) . Other pups in the litter also looked completely Airedale, except some of the pups were coal black.
   Several good hunters came out of that cross and my uncle usually had local hunters waiting for pups..
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Re: Squirrels and an occasional coon...
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2008, 04:19:18 PM »
You know the BEST dog I ever had was a cross dog of shepherd, maybe a little collie, and who knows what. I named him Tippy because of the tip of white on his tail, and Tip for short. The dog had more common sense than I did at the time, was a real fighter when he had to be, and a good judge of character it seems around strangers.
He would hunt anything, and keep the boogers away too. That dog lived to be about 16 years old, wouldn't have known what to do with dog food if you gave him the whole sack. Of course that was back in the early fifties, and sixties, when two nickels were hard to come by on our place.
Shoot, Dad and Grandpa were still using a team of horses for part of the farming. A couple of bays, named Slim & Shorty. Oh well, another topic, and another planet. :(
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Re: Squirrels and an occasional coon...
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2008, 10:04:20 AM »
  My Dad's horses would always be Tom and Daisy..he may change teams after a few years..but somehow the names seemed to be used over and over..LOL
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2008, 10:16:29 AM »
We live in black land. When it rains here you stay on the roads or suffer the consequences. Back in the fifties many of the roads down here were not even graveled, and if there was a need to go the 6 miles into town during a rainy period, Dad had a paint mare, aptly named Ole Paint. Imagine that. I think things were better for us back then. The medical tech wasn't as good, but I think every one was happier, and getting back to dogs. They were used around the farms back then, and it wasn't that hard to find one with sense. Now it's hard to find a person with sense, much less a dog.
If we had a depression now (and I think we're gonna) folks would be eatin their dogs. And ours. Times have changed.
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Re: Squirrels and an occasional coon...
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2008, 10:44:51 AM »
best squirrel dog i had was a beagle , he learned himself and we found out by accident !
but he was good and we killed alot of squirrels with him ! that is until someone stole him !
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Re: Squirrels and an occasional coon...
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2008, 09:24:50 AM »
Back in the 1950's, a man who lived out west of Okmulgee, Oklahoma, had a Bluetick that, although he was tri-colored, had some Grant breeding.  (Back earlier, a man named Grant had crossed the tri-colored Bluetick with a German Shorthaired Pointer and bred a line of Blueticks with no brown points: they were all blue and black.  The first litter of the new variety of Bluetick was accepted for registration in, I believe, 1930.)  A fellow bred a full-blooded Treeing Walker to this particular dog, and the litter of pups scattered around the area. 

One person, who also lived west of Okmulgee, raised one of the pups to be a passing good Squirrel and 'coon dog. He lived on an eighty, and bird hunters would come in his front gate, drive to his back forty, and hunt with their dogs.  The half Walker/half Bluetick with a trace of German Shorthair in his background, when the bird hunters came through the front forty, started following them to the back forty decided to become a pointer: he started falling in with the bird dogs and pointing.  He got so good at it that he got stolen: a group of hunters came in the front, went to the back, and left by way of a back gate--and they took the hound with them!  Breeding will tell--sometimes.

I may have posted this before somewhere, but I thought you might enjoy reading about it.

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Re: Squirrels and an occasional coon...
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2008, 01:30:32 AM »
    Around here, when I was building farm silos back in the 70s & 80s, I met a farmer who was an avid coon hunter. He swore by a cross between Bluetic and Airedale.
  He claimed the Bluetic gave the nose and the Airedale the grit and determination.
  The Draathaar or German Wirehaired Pointer is quite gritty, seems there was some Airedale in their foundation.
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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2008, 06:13:55 AM »
I think that I posted about it once before, but, when I was about 15, I squirrel hunted with a little female Airdale/Black and Tan cross.  She was possibly the best squirrel dog that I ever hunted.  She was supposed to be 3/4 B&T and 1/4 AD, but I've suspected that she might have been half and half.  She was a silent trailer--she did have a nose--but would bark treed.  She also sight hunted: she could follow a treed squirrel through the tree tops for a mile, and you could find the squirrel by looking where she was looking.

A man that I hunted with bought her for $15--that was in the 1950's--from a farmer.  (That once was the best way to find a squirrel dog: drive up to some farmer's place and ask him if he had a squirrel dog that he would sell.  The farmer would often times point to one out of several dogs in the yard and say, "That'un will tree squirrels.")  The man who bought her from the farmer sold her in a few weeks for $35, a tidy profit.  I regretted not buying her, but, when you were a kid with no daddy left alive, $35 was a LOT of money.

I've wanted another one like her for the 52 years since.
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Re: Squirrels and an occasional coon...
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2008, 05:37:09 PM »
   Yes; about once or twice in a lifetime a man will have a dog that he carries the memory of..to his own end..
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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2008, 09:04:06 AM »
Ray,

Where are you from? I seen your dog story from Okmulgee OK area. I lived in Beggs Ok in the Deep Fork Bottom for a couple of years. I might be interested in the female Boston Terrier for my wife.

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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2008, 06:22:40 AM »
Ray,

Where are you from? I seen your dog story from Okmulgee OK area. I lived in Beggs Ok in the Deep Fork Bottom for a couple of years. I might be interested in the female Boston Terrier for my wife.

JW?OK,

I'm from Okmulgee, Oklahoma.  Sorry about the Boston: I gave her away several days ago.  If I come up with another one, I'll hollar at you.
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