My first CZ

[NONYA]

Got the 452 lux .17hmr I been lookin at today,found out they had it mis priced when i started to pay for it but they sold it to me at the marked price since it was their mistake,everyone gets lucky sometimes,payed $279.Put a mid range 6-26 on it with some leopold mounts and Im taking it out to paper it tomorow and hopefully murder a few varmint/pigeons with it.The workmanship looks really good and the wood is better than expected,I hope it shoots as well as it looks.Anyone have any home remedy advice to improve the accuracy if it needs it?Thanx.

[NONYA]

UPDATE!

Finally got cool enough to shoot tonight,the first three shots fired at 50 yards almost touched each other(see pic),I dialed it in and fired 5 more shots shooting a group right at 1",after a few more of these i moved back to 100 yards and shot several 1.5" ,5 shot groups.I am shooting the CCI TNT hollow points.This rifle shoots better than any rimfire I have ever owned,I shimmed the stock a bit to make the barrel clear the wood and lightened the trigger pull a bit,thats it,and thats all Im going to do,this rifle is AWSOME!

[Graybeard]

I personally don't care for the European look of the Lux. Just a personal thing and as they say beauty is only skin deep. I have the same rifle in the American version which to my eyes is a nice looking gun. I've not shot it yet in fact haven't even taken it out of the box and scoped it yet. I'll get around to it sooner or later I've not had it two years yet even if it is getting close.

I did check the trigger and have no complaints on it and don't think it will need any adjustment on mine. This I think the 4th rifle I've had chambered to this round and the other three were HORRIBLE junk that I let go of after one single firing session. They were in order Ruger, Marlin and Savage. I sure hope when I finally get around to shooting this one it's better than the others were.

[NONYA]

You need to get ur but in gear and shoot it,i was IMPRESSED! Im a suker for the old school euro look as long as the rifle functions as well as it looks,this one has 0 complaints.Throw one of your Muellers on there and have some fun,I have shot the savage,this is 3x the rifle as the .17hmr savage.

[Graybeard]

I must have close to a dozen guns around here I've not fired yet. It's on the "things to do some day list" but this old fat boy's butt has only got so many "round tuit's" per day and just not enough days in the week to get them all done. Most of my shooting these days is on the skeet range.

[Rangr44]

When  bought my CZ-M527, I got the Lux, ILO the American, because the Lux's came with a much better quality wood - showing a lot more grain & color contrast. I also thought/think the schnobble forearm tip classy.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I really prefer an attractive stock - abhoring those that look like the contents of a jar of peanut butter.

But, then - I won't own a synthetic stocked rifle, either - so I guess I'm one of those minority traditionalists. 

[Ditchdigger]

Most of us in my group that shoots the 917 Marlin have a lot better luck with the Vmax's in Federal Premiium ammo. I can cut the size of my groups by 1/3 just by shooting the Vmax's.   Digger

[Brithunter]

Hi All,

       Hmmmm I always wonder when I see this :-

I shimmed the stock a bit to make the barrel clear the wood and lightened the trigger pull a bit,thats it,and thats all Im going to do,this rifle is AWSOME!
 

     Now perhaps it's time to remove the shim and see just how the rifle shoots as it came from the factory  I have an older CZ-Brno rimfire, it's a 1965 model No2 which has the straight combed stock and an almost match trigger, this rifle is truely amazing in the accuracy dept and it's just as it came from the factory bedding wise. I did re-finish the stock with an oil finish but that's all apart from putting a scope on it.

    On another note I just picked up an older BSA Majestiic in .243 for the collection and I have to repair the efforts of soem miss guided former owner who has ruing the factory bedding and rasped out teh barrel channel  I thought that soem plastic wood that i can stain to match the stock will repair the barrel channel than a careful re-beding will put the action where it's supposed to be level with the stock at the loading ejection port and then work on the barrel pressure point and try shooting it until I get the pressure correct. Inam guessing that the owned trraded it in due to accuracy dropping off and then when they screwed to bedding up  well what it really needed was a good cleaning. The BESA muzzle brake machined into the barrel was totally caked with burnt firing residue which is more likely to effect the accuracy.

[Graybeard]

I can't recall that I ever felt a need to alter the bedding on a rimfire but sure have on a few centerfires but even on centerfires I've done it rarely.

[NONYA]

What do you wonder?I float the barrel on every rifle I buy,they all shoot good why would i reverse it to please you?I just built another 452,this one has a customized stock and a bipod,AND i floated the barrel.

[Fat NDN]

Looks good!!   I have CZ 452 American .22LR that I shoot silhouette with and love it. It shoots
5 in one hole groups @ 50yds.

[NONYA]

NICE!   

[Brithunter]

No Nonya not to please me but to see if you have been wasting your time all this time, perhaps you should try shooting them as they come before altering them, not to mention that you have been  invalidating all your warranty's.

   As it is I can only see free floating for what it is. A quick cheap fix for poorly cut bedding and poorly cured wood (i.e Kiln dried)

   Target rifles have used free floated barrels it's true but having witnessed the way some "so called serious target shooters" treat their rifles, I wonder if it's the operator and floating the barrel is one small way of negating their effect combimned with the very tight single point slings they use.

[NONYA]

Like i said,all my rifles that i have floated shoot very well,better than me,why would i stop.As for voiding a warranty,putting a rubber O ring in between the lug and the stock to move the barrel up out of the channel isnt going to void anything.This is the most accurate rimfire i have ever owned,AND if you read up in the CZ forums in the bench shooting/accuracy section the first thing they recommend is floating the barrel,Im sure they are all wrong too......

[Brithunter]

Well Nonya,

    Until you try shooting the rifle as it originally built and delivered you will never know will you? Personally I am not a good enough shot to try proper Benchrest. However my CZ-Brno No2 will happily put a magazine full into one ragged hole. The only proper target rimfire rifle I have is a BSA model 12/15 which of course has a Martini action and does not have a free floated barrel either. They didn't try that until the International Model and that model was much later of course. My 12/15 was made in the Mid 1950's.

[NONYA]

Ill tell you what i know IS a fact,putting stock pressure on the barrel of a rifle isnt going to INCREASE accuracy so why NOT float it?What do you care if i float the barrel or void my warranty?I ENJOY modifiying my firearms,its half the fun of owning them,I do what works for me.

[Graybeard]

You're still young and full of piss and vinegar and energy. I'm old and lazy and don't do nuttin to one until I know it's needed. So far for me at least no rimfire has needed to be floated or have the bedding changed. Can't say that for all my centerfires but I make them talk to me and tell me they have to be done before this lazy old fat boy beds or floats one. Just a different approach to such matters. Given the option I'll take the lazy way most times these days.

[NONYA]

Lol GB,I cnats stand to not modify everything i own in some way,I HAVE TO CUSTOMIZE!

[Brithunter]

Ahhhh now it come out after all  it's just the urge to "Customise" and tinker  .

   Here is my CZ-Brno Mod 2 :-









   And here is my ZKK 601 and a target shot whilst testing some handloads, the 601 is also as it came from the factory bedding wise, I did however re-shape the stock around the ejection port and remove the factory varnish and apply a hand rubbed oil finish so the stock which brought the grain out in the wood:-







    Whilst it may not be bench rest standard, as I said I am not a BR standard shot, it is certainly good enough for it's intended purpose ....................................... hunting.

[NONYA]

Handloads?Why would you want to go and do that?Did you try it with factory loads first,it may shoot better or as good.....Did you know you voided your warranty when you modified that stock?

[nomosendero]

Handloads?Why would you want to go and do that?Did you try it with factory loads first,it may shoot better or as good.....Did you know you voided your warranty when you modified that stock?

 

Those CZ's are nice rifles. Nonya, have you tried the Hor. V-Max yet? Most 17's I have shot do a little better with those.

[NONYA]

Thanx Nomo,I shot them last winter out of my Marlin and really liked them,I have been shooting the CCI tnt HPs latley and i really like the knockdown power they deliver on small game,I think the V maxs may be a bit more accurate but on game under 200 yards ill trade that for the pop im getting from the TNTS on gophers and Wabitts,ALMOST had a shot at a huge badger last week,cant wait to see how they perform on a yote or badger,I think they will really do the job.

[Brithunter]

Handloads?Why would you want to go and do that?Did you try it with factory loads first,it may shoot better or as good.....Did you know you voided your warranty when you modified that stock?

     As far as I can recall I have never shot factory ammunition through my ZKK601. The price of factory soft point cartridges is very high here and unless very lucky finding a factory load which is very accurate would possibly cost as much as the rifle itself.  I wanted some factory 6mm remington ammo as new cases prooved not so easy to obtain however I got quoted £132 ( $260 US) for 100 Remington 100 grain loads. I would have to ordered them as I don't know of any Gunshop that stocks 6mm Remington ammunition although I did find one which stocked the empty new Remington brass even if I had to get them shipped as the shop is about 100 miles away. I do have a few factory soft point cartridges is a couple of chamberings just in case I need factory ammo to hunt a place.

Now as for the stock alterations they were carried out a couple of years after buying the rifle so warrenty had expired 

[nomosendero]

Thanx Nomo,I shot them last winter out of my Marlin and really liked them,I have been shooting the CCI tnt HPs latley and i really like the knockdown power they deliver on small game,I think the V maxs may be a bit more accurate but on game under 200 yards ill trade that for the pop im getting from the TNTS on gophers and Wabitts,ALMOST had a shot at a huge badger last week,cant wait to see how they perform on a yote or badger,I think they will really do the job.

I did not think about Badgers, we don't have those, no doubt the CCI would be better for that. I think more about Armadillos.  For Coyotes I usually pop those with my AR, esp. if over 100 yards or so.