Soda Bottle gun replica

[EL Caz 66]

I saw this barrel in South Bend Replicas 2006 catalog,I like it so much I had Dom Carpenter Cut it for me. I mounted on this mahogany non traditional naval carriage which I built... Does anybody have info on this type barrel?

[Blaster]

I saw this barrel in South Bend Replicas 2006 catalog,I like it so much I had Dom Carpenter Cut it for me. I mounted on this mahogany non traditional naval carriage which I built... Does anybody have info on this type barrel?

Looks a lot like a Dahlgren that I bought from South Bend Replicas.  Mine has a 1-inch bore and is on a cast iron carriage.  You do have a nice looking little cannon there and substantial looking carriage. Very nice job, I may add. Blaster (Bob in So. CO)

[Artilleryman]

It appears to be a Dalgren or Columbiad "style or type" cannon barrel.  It may have been made as a signal gun.

Norml

[EL Caz 66]

blaster,

At first I thought it was a Dahlgren, but the elevation was not screwed through the cascable..like the one in this picture.
thanks for the compliment on cannon... maybe can be a replica of Columbiad does anyone have a photo or a link where one can be viewed. This soda bottle has a 3/4" Bore...


El (Ed from NYC)

[Double D]

El Cazador,

Take another picture of the gun, this time from the same level or side so we can see what the gun looks like. Oh and don't for get Blaster Bob's  powder can.

[EL Caz 66]

Here's the side view as per your request DoubleD...

[EL Caz 66]

And here's a picture Dahlgren ,Dictator And oh yeah I must not forget the can of Powder  LoL
    Ed

[Double D]

Here's the side view as per your request DoubleD...

[Cannoneer]

       El Cazador. Does that translate to 'The Hunter' or 'The Huntsman'? The "Soda Bottle Gun" was the nickname given to many of John A. Dahlgren's cannon designs, because thats the shape they resembled. He was a prolific designer of cannons around the time of the Civil War. His designs ran the gamut from the bronze 12 pounder "Boat Howitzer" to a 20'' 97,300 lbs., coastal defense gun.
   In my 2005 Dixie Gun Works catalog, they have an 8'' brass .75 cal. barrel for sale, that's almost the twin of your cannon. They have it listed as; "Brass Sea-Coast Type Cannon". Further on in the description they say: 'It is a fair, but not exact, copy of the well known Dahlgren gun". Your right, the Dahlgrens didn't have a cascabel, they had a squarish projectiion that was cast solid with the barrel; it was bored and tapped to hold the levelling screw. The word "columbiad" is used to describe any heavy, huge cannon with a smooth bore. Sir William Russell: "The columbiad is a piece of ordnance very thick in the breech, and lightened off gradually from the trunnions to the muzzle".
                             
      Here are some pics of 9'' Dahlgrens and a brass scale model of a Rodman columbiad.   

       
       
       

     
   

[EL Caz 66]

Boom,

  El cazador  translates  "the Hunter" in which this name was used for Spainish Brigantine of war in the late 1700's. I believe she had shipwreck while on her way to louisiana with large ship load of gold and silver coin. I thank you for all input on the soda bottle gun...it has been very informative...also the picture are very nice...

Thanks,
Ed

[dominick]

I'm not sure if the soda bottle cannon was originally produced as a full size artillery barrel.  The "soda bottle" cannon barrel in the South Bend catalog is the same shape as the barrel I built for Ed in that the chase is straight where as the Dalgrens and Columbiads are curved inward giving them a bottle neck shape. Its possible that Ed's cannon barrel is a copy of a early signal gun.  Maybe?

[Frank46]

If any of the members who live in long island new york want to see two huge columbiad or rodman cannons take a trip to queens village. Try to find a Public School 35. They at one time had two huge cannons of this type mounted on also huge concrete pedastals by the front entrance. Since I now live in louisiana at this time I cannot say for sure wether or not they are still there. I'd guesstimate their weight at close to 90,000 lbs. And for you revolutionary war buffs locate the "King" mansion on jamaica avenue between parsons and suphtin blvd. In front of the mansion there were two brass/bronze cannons also. Again cannot say for sure if they are still there. But if anyone does check, take some pics. Thanks, Frank

[Cpt Ed]

The South Bend Replicas 1/7 Scale 9” Dahlgren has been one of my favorite style cannons on the Marsilly carriage for many years. The barrel is 19” long with a 1” seamless steel bore liner.
 I took his fine barrel one step further and had a wooden Marsilly Carriage built.

[EL Caz 66]

Hi Capt.

Nice Gun and Carriage , If you dont mind me asking who built this carraige for you...I'm in the market for one just like that you have there... you send me a PM if you like...

Thanks,
Ed

[Cannoneer]

 Cpt Ed, I've admired that Dahlgren gun made by SBR since I first saw one. I was going to post this sometime in the future but now's as good a time as any. I have a project that some day (hopefully) I'm going to get started on. It's a 10.5'', 5/8th'' bore, scale replica Dahlgren turned out of 4140. It came with a Marsilly carriage similar to yours but I want to build a "tall" Marsilly carriage from scratch. I'm usind a simpleton's logic in assuming this carriage was designed to this heighth to fire a deck gun over the bulwarks of the ship. This photo is of J. A. Dahlgren next to, what I think is one of his 4.4'' (30-pounder) rifles. This picture is the sole inspiration for my idea. The problem is, I cant find any other reference to this configuration of Marsilly carriage on the internet. If anyone has plans, photos, drawings or general information on this type of carriage I would greatly appreciate it if they would post them on this thread.
       Thanks, John
                         
                         
       

[Double D]

[Cannoneer]

       
       Thanks, Double D. These are plans for the usual height carriage but they're nice plans. I saved them on my photo file, where I can enlarge them. I really scoured the net, I don't think anyones going to find any plans for the taller carriage. All I'll have to do is raise the heighth of the cheeks and front transom to appoximate the Marsilly in the photo.

[EL Caz 66]

http://www.go2ccj.org/images/kingmanor.gif
ing Mansion, also known as the Rufus King House, 151-01 Jamaica Ave., (1733-55: additions 1806, 1810, and 1830s), designated as a landmark 4/19/66. Rufus King, Massachusetts delegate to the Continental Congress, anti-slavery advocate, and three term senator from New  York purchased a modest gabled roof farmhouse and adjacent acreage in Jamaica in 1805. 151-01 Jamaica Ave., designated as a landmark 3/13/76.

GRACE EPISCOPAL CHURCH AND GRAVEYARD, 155-03 Jamaica Ave., Jamaica (Dudley Fields, 1861-62; chancel, Cady, Berg & See, 1901-02; graveyard. c 1734- ). Grace Church was founded in 1702 as the official church of the British colonial government. Established in 1702 by Anglicans who split from the Presbyterian Church. First church building rose in 1734; current Gothic Revival church built in 1862.  The congregation has worshiped at this site on the main street of Jamaica since 1734. The present church, a rough-cut brownstone Early English Gothic-inspired structure with a tall spite, is the third at this location. The early 20th-century chancel complements the design of the original building. Among those buried in the graveyard are Rufus King, whose house still stands 200 yards away to the west. Jamaica Avenue, Jamaica. Kingsland Homestead (current location), 143-35 37 Ave., designated as a landmark 4/19/66.

[GGaskill]

Maybe give Don Lutz a call and ask about No. 24 of AOP's offerings.

[lendi]

Here is a picture of one of 2 Dalghrens form the USS Hartford. They are located at Trinity College in Hatford CT.   I have a set of good set of plans for a Marsley carriage that I can send to any one who needs them.
lendi
Duck Island Cannon Works