Author Topic: 300 weatherby mag (Read 2243 times)

jwelch · « **on:** October 30, 2006, 07:10:22 AM »

Would someone tell me the difference between a 300 weatherby mag and a 300 win mag? I have a chance to pick up a weatherby 300 mag for a good price, but I dont know much about a weatherby.
Thanks.

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #1 on:** October 30, 2006, 07:43:33 AM »

the diffrence between the two 300 magnums can be summed up that the Weatherby uses 10 to 20 more grns of powder, has 200 fps more velocity and costs $20 more per box of ammo than the Win mag.

nasem · « **Reply #2 on:** October 30, 2006, 08:32:11 AM »

its simple
the 300 wby:
1) provides no real advantages over the 300 win mag
2) recoils harder
3) more expensive to shoot
4) wears out your barrel much faster (1000-1500 rounds max life for good accuracy)

Graybeard · « **Reply #3 on:** October 30, 2006, 08:57:04 AM »

Ok let me give it a try.

The .300 Win. Mag. in MOST reloading manuals is about 100 fps behind the .300 Weatherby but some times isn't behind at all.

The .300 Win. Mag. uses a shorter case that will fit into most all long action magazines. The .300 Whby. uses the full length H&H magnum case. It has the Whby double radius shoulder rather than a conventional shoulder as well.

So you gain little but then you lose nothing with it either. Barrel life is a moot point really as you're unlikely to shoot either enough to wear it out and if you do neither will outlast the other by enough to be of concern.

Factory ammo prices are MUCH higher for the Whby if you're not gonna reload that might be a consideration. Recoil is pretty vicious with both. I've shot both and can't honestly say I was able to tell any noticeable difference. Both are wicked brutal on my shoulder.

BUSTER51 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 30, 2006, 11:18:06 AM »

the Weatherby 300 mag is a great round and the factory ammo is more than the win mag ,but you are getting premium ammo bullits and cases that are among the most cosistant accurate ammo avalible.many other ammo manufactures load the round also so the price is not that high.now the mark V rifle is built like a tank and is considered my many to be the strongest action made. if you reload the price of the ammo is a moot point anyway. If you can get a Weatherby 300 mag for a good price go for it you will never regret it .I don't find the recoil bad at all very close to a 3006.the 300 is Weatherby's most popular round and there must be a reason. by the way Midway has Fedral premium vital shock 180 grain nosler solid base boat tail 300 weatherby ammo at $15.69 a box of 20 right now.that's not too high is it ?If you want a top shelf rifle in a great caliber get a Weatherby.

Catfish · « **Reply #5 on:** October 30, 2006, 02:35:36 PM »

I`ve never owned a .300 Win. mag., but did own a .300 Weatherby once. Twice as pretty as any other gun I`ve owned and kicked 5 times harder. I sold it and got a .338 Win. mag. The .338 would push a 250 gn. bullet to the same speed the Weatherby would push a 220 gn. bullet and seemed like 1/3 the recoil. Everything else I would say has already been said.

BUSTER51 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 31, 2006, 01:52:58 PM »

Yea right ,kicked 5 times harder.how can that be possible ? everyone knows the Weatherby stocks are well designed and reduce felt recoil .

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #7 on:** October 31, 2006, 02:57:42 PM »

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everyone knows the Weatherby stocks are well designed and reduce felt recoil

Then they could have clued in the feller who came up with the Vanguard stock

The only stock I've used that rates worse was the old ruger "boat paddle" all weather stocks.

Since adding a brake and a Carbelite stock my 300 WBY now kicks like a 243

Patriot_1776 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 31, 2006, 06:06:58 PM »

I would say if you are capable of reloading, then the Wby. would be an awesome choice. As GB said, there is no real advantage of the 300 Win Mag over the Wby. in regards to barrel life. It's just one of those cartridges where you can't go out with a couple hundred rounds to blast away. However, the initial investment to aquire the reloading components as well as ammo if you want to start that way can be expensive.

I have a 300 Wby. in the Accumark, and it is the crown of jewels in my rifle list. Overall, it depends on how much you feel you can spend without getting too uncomfortable. Both rounds are popular enough, but one is more expensive than the other.

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Then they could have clued in the feller who came up with the Vanguard stock The only stock I've used that rates worse was the old ruger "boat paddle" all weather stocks.

krochus, that is why the Vanguard is such an inexpensive rifle; the stock is el cheapo, and the rest of the money goes into the barreled action.

I'm actually considering getting the Vanguard Synthetic in 243 Win., but I would upgrade the stock with one from the Weatherby Custom shop, in Desert Camo. How does your shoot?

warf73 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 31, 2006, 09:26:09 PM »

I’ve owned and shot both in Remington 700 BDL and the 300Win left and the 300WBY stayed and is still shooting deer every year.

As for kick sorry shooting them side by side they both kicked the same to me and my dad said he couldn’t feel any difference either(just our option).

If you don’t reload I WOULDN’T get the Weatherby the price is just too high to purchase store bought ammo. Even if you buy the Remington 300Wby it’s still very costly.

As far as 1000-1500 rounds for a barrel life in the 300WBY I beg to differ. I’ve ran over 1000 threw mine and still holds sub 1” groups at 100 yards with my hand loads, and I don’t see why the accuracy will fall in the next 500 rounds. If you shoot your rifle HOT well I would say yes you burn up a barrel rather fast but you can get the same results in rifle.

Unless you’re going to shoot the 180-220gr pills I see no true advantage of the 300Wby over the 300Winny but we are still only talking 100-150fps advantage which isn’t much but a little.

If I was stuck using factory ammo I wouldn’t buy either, hate to say it but I would go with the good old 06. I love the 06 it can do everything the mags can do as far as I’m concerned.

Warf

Brithunter · « **Reply #10 on:** November 01, 2006, 01:20:40 AM »

Hmmm well as for action strengths I believe that the Weatherby cartridges produce normal Magum pressures which in the older British proof measurements means 21 Tons. Now the old .280 Ross was proofed to 28 Tons. For comparison the .303 is proofed to 18.5 Tons and 270 win 19 tons. Eley actually introduced the .280 Ntiro which was a slightly downloaded cartridge as the Mauser 98 action was not handling the .280 Ross pressures well yet the M-10 or Model 1910 Ross had no problems.

Now Obnendorf Mauser in 1996 claimed that their M96 Slide Bolt had the largest area of locking lugs of any design and was the strongest lock up made. This rifle used a double M16 design with 16 locking lugs so .......................................................

Now to stock design .............................................. The new super dooper weatherby whatever they call it as a damned awful design

talk about poor ..................... sheesh.

Glossy varnish with a bit of polish equals high price

Never saw one that appealed or that felt right and about 3x the price it should be and on top of that Weatherby has never made any in it's entire existance. One thing one can say about Ole Roy is that he was a darned good salesman. There are plenty on this forum who have brought inot it.

BUSTER51 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 01, 2006, 06:25:30 AM »

First off the vangaurd is a Howa,real Weatherby's are made with a mark V action ,I have a Accumark in 338/378,a synth in.300WM,a.340WM fibermark and all have proven to be great rifles .yes ammo can be expevsive but if you reload it is a non issue.I won the .340 Fibermark in a poker game in 1998 ($400.00 to call) and it was new in the box at that time .I put a Nikon Monarch 3-9x40 on it .my 80 year old father took a nice cow elk(120 yards) with it last year just outside of Williams Arizona .at 5-10 and 165 lbs he had no problem and never complained about the recoil.he is in very good shape for his age ,he walks 3 miles every morning and doesn't smoke or drink any more . all he said was that the trigger was very smooth and the scope was very clear and bright. so when I tell you the .300 Mark V with the syn stock kicks like a 3006 to me (6-1 285 lbs) I ain't lieing.

corbanzo · « **Reply #12 on:** November 01, 2006, 07:32:56 AM »

Make sure you take a look at the .300RUM, better trajectroy than the other two, and costs less to shoot than the .300WBY, its gonna be my next hunting rifle.

Questor · « **Reply #13 on:** November 01, 2006, 08:53:12 AM »

One important thing to consider here is whether you like the available rifles. If you like the Weatherby rifles, and if they don't come in 300 win mag, then the Weatherby rifles may be for you.

safetysheriff · « **Reply #14 on:** November 01, 2006, 12:25:14 PM »

Quote from: BUSTER51 on November 01, 2006, 06:25:30 AM

my 80 year old father doesn't smoke or drink any more

nothing personal..........but i'd say that just about makes him a "quitter" !

ss'

ps: i think the stock on my .270 Vanguard is superior in rigidity to the stock on my Model 700 ADL's in synthetic. and the Model 700's are very hard to beat for accuracy; just like my Vanguard.

what is there not to like about the V's factory stock.................really?

roper · « **Reply #15 on:** November 02, 2006, 01:47:39 AM »

Alot of difference between the two. 300Wby is set up with what is called "free-boring"which allows for higher velocity at safe working pressures a factory 300Wby you are between 100/200fps faster than a 300mag. 300Wby has been a time proven caliber since in came out in 1948. I consider the 300Wby as an equal or pretty close to a 300RUM considering you more than likely be shooting 180/200gr bullets.

Nothing wrong with the 300mag, my new custom 300mag has a Kostyshyn barrel,McMillian stock,pacific bolt be taking that rifle on a 4th season elk hunt back up rifle 300Wby. Have on more elk hunt after that and I'll use 300RUM back up rifle 30-338mag.

Years ago if you had a 300Wby build without the free-bore you had to cut your powder by at least 5% and you get lower velocity. Now with all the good powders out today you can cut powder but not lose velocity I'm having a 300Wby build and cutting out the free-bore to see if it works and I should have that rifle just after the first of the year.

Both the 300mag and 300Wby are good calibers IMHO if I was given the choice I'd take a 300Wby over a 300mag maybe the reason for that is I've got more shooting time with the 300Wby by about 15yrs. Well good luck.

BattleRifleG3 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 02, 2006, 10:40:41 AM »

I own a 300 RUM and was on the verge of going Weatherby for a few reasons.
1, the rifles chambered in 300 Wby - I prefer the Vanguard's extractor system.
2, the price of 300 RUM skyrocketed to $45 a box, I remember getting if for $27. I cannot find it for less than $40 online, to which one must add other costs. I can get Weatherby brand 300 Wby ammo for $35 a box.
3, the Weatherby round, due to its case shape, is slicker feeding and more efficient that the 300 RUM. The advantage of the 300 RUM is its case shape can provide for extreme accuracy at long ranges, but it would be a tall order to beat the quality of Weatherby ammo.

I am strongly leaning towards the 300 Win mag, however, for a few reasons.
1, Much greater variety in ammo and rifle choice. I can't name a rifle made in 300 Wby or 300 RUM that isn't also made in 300 Win mag. Can also get rifles in this round not available in the others, such as the Rem 700 DM. With the action length of the 30-06, many rifle, stock, and accessory options are available that aren't for the higher magnums.
2, Hornady heavy magnum ammo is the same price as the lowest 300 Wby ammo and ballistically similar. I could run a steady diet of this for the same price of 300 Wby if I wanted, but would most likely use it only on occasion, and stick to $20 a box ammo more regularly. Match ammo is also available.
3, Certain bullets designed for the 30-06 just barely hold together at 300 Win Mag velocities but blow apart at 300 Wby velocities.

BUSTER51 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 08, 2006, 12:33:55 PM »

bottom line ,tou buy a Weatherby mark 5 in 300 Weatherby mag and factory Weatherby ammo and you are in hog heaven ,because you have a rifle that will shoot sub moa at 100 yards right out of the box .no bs .no need to tinker or be a blacksmith .some folks havent got the time or inclination to settle for less. Weatherby rifles and ammo are top shelf and priced accordingly. you got to respect an American company that produces a world class weapon made right here in the good old USA. remember oats that have been through the horse are always cheaper than oats that haven't.

jwelch · « **Reply #18 on:** November 12, 2006, 07:15:21 AM »

Hello,
I bought the weatherby. Thanks for all of the help.

BUSTER51 · « **Reply #19 on:** November 13, 2006, 12:45:49 PM »

you did good,now get out there and have some fun with it .

Capt Gary · « **Reply #20 on:** February 22, 2007, 01:23:18 PM »

I have owned a Winchester Classic Stainless in .300 Weatherby for about 10 yrs. The gun sports an HS Presicion stock and a Leupold VariX III 4.5 X 14 in Warne Premier OD rings and bases.
I have an additonal VariXIII in 2.5 X 8 in Warne OD rings sighted in and ready to use if every needed on a trip (Never needed, but used a couple of times when in thick cover).
This rifle shoots amazing well with several factory loads and with at least 4 handloads. I usually shoot a handload with 180gr. Barnes bullets for everything.
I have hunted everything from groundhogs (not the ideal, but it worked) to moose with this rifle and it has never let me down.
Always shoots true, never felt underguned. Recoil is on par with my 30/06 featherweight. I think the extra weight of the .300 and the HS Presicion stock make the recoil very easy.
If you get a good one it will sever you very well for anything.

Brithunter · « **Reply #21 on:** February 25, 2007, 10:37:27 AM »

Hi SS,

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what is there not to like about the V's factory stock.................really?

Well except for the wood just about everything. It's the most ridiculas shape especially around the pistol grip and wrist. Thank you but I will stick with the old classic styles whcih have been prooven over the last 100 years or so

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As for weatherby's being made in the US well I beleive that the Mk V is now but previously is was made in Japan and Germany. The ammunition is amde by Norma as I said Roy was a good salesman.