30 Herrett or 7-30 Waters ?

[rdc in MN]

What are the pro's & con's of the two? range? recoil? accuracy? reloading?knock down power?
         Thanks, I plan on getting one of the  two in 14in. :-D

[RJ]

All things being equal: with the exceptions of over the counter ammo and reloading. 7-30 ammo is available over the counter and the herritt ammo is not. the herritt ammo requires a couple extra preliminary steps to re load. the .30 Herritt was designed for a 10 in barrell and the 7-30 prolly wants to use the 14 better than the 10. other than that the ballistics are close. I like my .30 Herritt, but if I were to have both at hand to purchase I might be tempted to go with the 7-30. Jim

[Bill In SC]

RDC,  I can not speak for the .30 Herrett, but I will tell you I love the 7-30 Waters.

As one of the other folks mentioned, factory ammo is available. You may have to search far and wide, but you can get it.

Recoil is mild.  As to range...  It will kill a deer a lot further than I will take a shot at!

I took my first White Tail last month with mine.  The rifles seem to be staying home more and more.

One thing...  Do not get a barrel with a brake on it!  You do not need it, and let me tell you, if you ever shoot the thing with the brake and no hearing protection you will never forgive yourself

I posted a message this morning on the .30 herrett as I have a wild hair to get one also.  I asked for opinions on it vs. the 30-30 Win in the 14" tubes.  The 30-30 won hands down.  

Will I get a .30 herrett?  Sure will, but in the 10" tube after the first of the year.  

Just some food for thought.  What ever you get, shot it often   :-)

[Camel 23]

I have owned a 7-30 for 5 years now and love it more each year.  Recoil is mild, accuracy is awesome.  I have the muzzle brake on mine and I would buy it that way again.

[PJ]

I don't have a Herret but...I do have a super-14 7x30 and love it. I would like to get a 10.5" or 11" 7x30 just to try.

[Lynn Alan Kietzman]

Having several of each in varying lengths, I would say that in a 14" barrel you couldn'y go wrong with either one. Shorter barrels would go to the .30 Herret and longer barrels would go to the 7-30 Waters. The .30 Herret is a roll your own, as you probably know and the 7-30 Waters can be purchased accross the counter. But then I never purchased a T/C for easy.

I bought the .30 Herret after months of research for something better; there were'nt many choices in those days. Loved every minute of case forming, fireforming, and working up loads. Bought the 7-30 Waters because I didn't own one and was bored. Don't regret either. Check the ballistic table and you try to find any difference. Which ever you choose, you'll be way pleased.

[Flash]

Because of the bearing surface, shape in relation the the grain weight, the 7mm bullet just plain performs better than a .308 bullet. The geometry of the two is like comparing apples to oranges in most cases. A washing machine is about equal to a Surface to Air Missile in weight but with equal thrust from the propellant, which one would perform better?

[Paladin]

oranges and apples!!!!  get them both

[WildcatTC]

:gun4: what would a 30 Herrett be like if you necked it down to a 7mm.How would it compare to the 7 X 30 Waters? Hmmmm

[Graybeard]

:gun4: what would a 30 Herrett be like if you necked it down to a 7mm.How would it compare to the 7 X 30 Waters? Hmmmm

It would clearly lose in this comparison. The 7-30 is an improved case on the full length .30-30 case. The .30 Herrett is a much shortened version of the .30-30 case so no matter how you improved it there would still be a significant edge in favor of the 7-30. Because of the pressures the cases can operate at safely the 7 TCU should easily out perform a 7 mm on the Herrett case.

GB