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Offline Ron/Pa.

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Howa Rifles..
« on: January 09, 2007, 02:24:04 PM »
Anybody use one?  I don`t care for the Accu Trigger on the Savages . Are the Howa`s a comparable rifle in terms of accuracy and trigger pull and last but not least quality ? I would be interested in the wood stock model in.243. Thanks in advance.....

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Re: Howa Rifles..
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2007, 02:57:59 PM »
Howa's are very fine rifles with a reputation for accuracy and durability.  One piece forged action, one piece forged bolt, and one piece alloy bottom unit.  Simple and rugged.  I think that the design is one of the best available.  There are several custom makers that use the Howa for their rifles.  Barrel are also some of the best factory barrels you can get.  I like the fact that they are a little heavier contour than most factory sporter barrels.  I think only Remingtons are stouter in the sporter barrel contour.  I've owned one, shot several more.  It's the same rifle as the Weatherby Vanguard.  The only difference is the bolt shroud and the trigger.  The Howa trigger has more adjustment range than the Weatherby one does.

I've also had a couple of Savage's, and I will tell you that they have been better shooters out of the box than the Howa's.  If you don't like the Accu-trigger, you can get a replacement from Sharp Shooter Supply that is a conventional trigger, but its pricey.  I like the Accu-trigger for target work, but I like a conventional trigger better for hunting.

I think that in durability, the Howa has it all over the Savage.  How can an action that few major components not out-last an action that has a ton of little parts?  As stated before, Howa makes the Vanguard for Weatherby, and used to market the same gun to Smith & Wesson and Mossberg too.  If it wasn't a quality gun, I don't think that these other companies would have sold them under their name.

There was an issue of Rifle magazine a couple of months ago that actually had a comparison of "package" rifles from Savage, Howa, and the Remington 710, in .243.  All three rifles shot 1.5" or less for 3 shots at 100 yds with all loads, and each of them shot less than an inch with a couple of different loads.  The writer picked the Savage as his favorite, the deciding factor was the ease of the tang safety.

Hope this helps a bit.

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Re: Howa Rifles..
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2007, 03:06:33 PM »
I "accidentally" bought TWO new ones today.

I already had a 1500 Lightning in 30-06 with the sythetic stock.  This gun has a nice, smooth action and a crisp trigger.  Of all of my rifles (over 20) the Howa is my second favorite (tied with my Savage BECAUSE of the Accu-trigger) and just behind my Encore in 7-08.  The only reason I liked my Encore better was because I spent more time shooting and had a better scope on it...so I was able to shoot better groups.  Nothing to do with the gun...I know.

Howa is being ranked with CZ, Tikka and Savage by a lot of folks because thier accuracy out of the box.  The best part about Howa is the price.  You get a WHOLE LOT OF GUN for under $450.  Thier "supreme" models aren't too much more expensive.

Here is thier latest catalogue:
http://legacysports.com/pdfs/LSI2006RetailCatalog.pdf

Here are a couple of professional reviews for you:
http://www.snipercentral.com/howa.htm
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/long_guns/howa_112805/

(by the way...Guns & Ammo's 2005 "Gun of the Year" was a Howa.   ;)

I just picked up the Varmint Supreme in 223 stainless with the thumbhole stock AND the Varmint package with the Leupold 4-12 in 308.

Howa isn't getting the attention it deserves, probably becuase it is (CLOSE YOUR EARS) "made in Japan".  I've done quite a bit of research in the past month, and read WAY more reviews on "target rifles" than I care to remember.  "Howa" is a name that kept coming up with NOTHING but possitive remarks.  You have your die-hard Ruger, Remington and Winchester fans, but those that favored thier Howas said it was because of accuracy and the overall "feel" of the gun.

As for the trigger pull....All Howas have a fully adjustable, match-grade trigger.
If you don't like the Accu-trigger....get a Howa.  I like the Accu-trigger, and I still....got a two more Howas.
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Re: Howa Rifles..
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2007, 05:16:37 PM »
I've got to go with the herd on this one.  Bought my first Howa about 7 or 8 years ago (.223) and found a nice looking solid gun that shoots MOA or better with cheap "white box" ammo.  Since then I have picked up a Weatherby Vanguard (as noted above, same gun) in .338 Win. Mag., and another Howa in .243.  Every one of them is a shooter and worth more than their price.  BTW, I also have a 25 year old Savage 110 in 30-06 that I deer hunt with.  That gun will also shoot MOA (with my handloads).  Can't say anything bad about Savage, but the Howa's are a little classier.
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Re: Howa Rifles..
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2007, 01:35:36 PM »
how does the weight of Howa's 1500 Lightning -- synthetic stock'd compare with a Rem' ADL --synthetic stock'd ?

i've considered buying one of these recently.

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Re: Howa Rifles..
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2007, 02:05:12 PM »
Well, going by the specs on the websites, they are pretty close in weight.  Handling them, I'd say that the Remington is close to a pound lighter, since the ADL is a blind mag.  I had a Vanguard in 30-06 with the synthetic stock, and it weighed 8lbs with no scope.

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Re: Howa Rifles..
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2007, 02:13:14 PM »
The Howa Ultralight comes in at 6.5 lbs, while the standard sythetic hunter is a little under 7.5.  I think the 700 ADL is just under 7.5 as well.  As far as balance... I think the Howa feels a little better, if I remember right, the ADL was a little heavier toward the muzzle.
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Re: Howa Rifles..
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2007, 05:14:20 AM »
Anybody use one?  I don`t care for the Accu Trigger on the Savages . Are the Howa`s a comparable rifle in terms of accuracy and trigger pull and last but not least quality ? I would be interested in the wood stock model in.243. Thanks in advance.....

I have two, a .243 Varminter and a 7mm Mag. Both were shooters out of the box. Both had smoother bores than my Savages which were harder to clean until I fire lapped them. They too are shooters. But then so is my Ruger and Weatherby. Guess I must be lucky.
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Re: Howa Rifles..
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2007, 09:58:55 AM »
I must be among the lucky too.  I would say that 99% of the factory rifles I've had shot MOA or less out of the box.  I can only think of a couple that didn't. One was a Remington 700 LTR in .308.  Yeah, I read a lot about how accurate they were, but the one I had was a real dog.  I loved the rifle's feel and balance, and it sure did look "bad".  I couldn't get less than 2 inches with any ammo, and it copper fouled something awful.  Remington said it was within spec.  It got sold when I shot it side by side with my old CZ 527 7.62x39 carbine with wolf HP and the carbine shot less than an inch.  The only others that didn't shoot MOA with at last one load was an old (bought ten years ago) Savage 12FV in .223 and none of the SKS's I've played with would.  Odd that two of the worst rifles were target/tactical rifles chambered in the most developed ammo available.

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Re: Howa Rifles..
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2007, 10:36:03 PM »
how does the weight of Howa's 1500 Lightning -- synthetic stock'd compare with a Rem' ADL --synthetic stock'd ?

i've considered buying one of these recently.

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If your a Remington 700 fan, which I know you are  8)  you will like a Howa. Very simuliar in design and strength. And from all the Howas I have shot they are awesome shooters, and a very smooth action too I must say. I like Savages but if I were to put a little more time in an out of the box rifle to fine tune -between the Savage and Howa-  I would pick up the Howa.


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Re: Howa Rifles..
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2007, 01:59:28 PM »
aaron'

i guess it shows!   Model 700's to me are one of the great joys in this hobby.    but i thank you for your reply and am still thinking about ordering a Howa.    my Vanguard that they made for Weatherby is a great shooter.  but it is heavy!   i'm thinking about a short-action Howa with synthetic stock that i can carry around.   if i can get back to west virginia it might be a rifle i would take.    west virginia has hit some bad times with their deer herd.   terrible times considering what they used to have.   but it is a beautiful place to hunt if you get back off the road.   

thanks for your opinion,

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Re: Howa Rifles..
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2007, 05:52:23 AM »
I have the 1500 w/lam TH  salt and pepper in 308 ss  Love it.  Shoots great groups with any bullet.  The trigger I replaced with a Timeney.  Never could quite get the creep out of the factory one.
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Re: Howa Rifles..
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2007, 02:31:34 PM »
If you are picky on trigger pull (I am) you probably will want to replace the factory trigger with a Timney. It ain't easy to get that last little touch of creep out and the Timney is clean and crisp. Midsouth had a good price on them when I shopped Timney.