.308 john looking for help

[.308 john]

hi im new here, and to forums like this one,hope somebody can help me out. i have a .308 survivor, cant seem to get decent groups,i have tried imr3031, imr4064, h4895. 150sst, 168sierra mk,165nos bt, averaging about 1.5 to 1.75. at 100yds. should i be able to get tighter groups, or is this not bad,  i have read posts on your pages, saying to add o-ring to stock, could somebody explain.
im ready to try a new scope, the one now is tasco 6-24-40, everything seems tight, i have not had any problems with stuck casings or action opening up after shots. i have a 22-250 nef and love it, i reload 36gr,h380, 40gr v-max, cci 250 primer, win brass, 3 shots at 100yds, they all touch. im trying to get my .308 to do that. any other tweaking to my .308 that can be done, for accuracy.
i dont have a chronograph, can anybody compute fps on that 22-250 load. thanks in advance, hope to talk with you guys more in future.

[Survivor]

I'm putting a version of the Survivor together starting with 30-06 Handi.  I like having the lighter barrel and when I buy the Survivor stock from Choate I'll have both the Monte Carlo and Survivor stox.  I'm excited.  I placed the order this afternoon.  Anyway, look back through these threads a few pages and you'll find a couple called "Accuracy Problems..Help" and "Forend Troubles".  I had a lot of the same Q's and got some good help there.

[quickdtoo]

Welcome aboard, John! Survivor has offered good advice, those recent thread should help you a lot, also read the FAQs and Help, lots of info there to give you a leg up on getting the most out of the Survivor. For the most part, after nailing down some basics, just finding the right load and getting the barrel broke in is all it takes, sometimes barrel break in can take some time, specially if you do it at the range instead of at home in the shop with a cleaning rod and some elbow grease!

Tim

[coop2564]

John it took my 308 barrel about 150 rounds before I could get 1.5'' and had to clean it about every five or six shots it fouled really bad until it started getting broke in every time I cleaned it after shooting a fouler shot my group would tighten some. It seams 1.5 is about it for my barrel some get better groups some dont. I'm happy with 1.5''.

[northjdr]

Welcome John: I'm still working on my .308 and I've had several long threads here about my experiences. Handis can be quirky. What works for some doesn't work for all. I strated with 4" groups at 100yds. Had a bad scope.   Now I'm in the 1.5" range with 5 shots but I'm just beginning reloading so I hope to have a consitant moa gun (as others have).  The single biggest factor effecting my accuracy was keeping the latch clean. My groups dropped from 4" to 2" with just this alone. Bedding the forend, working on the trigger, resting the rifle under the receiver, closing the gun consitantly and firmly. All these things come into play.

[Survivor]

Are you calling the latch the actual hinge of the action or is there a little "latch" mechanism or component that gets fouled up?  For instance, Ihave afolding utility knife that I put through hell at work.  When the hinge gets full of mud or sandy muck it won't open all of the way or even lock sometimes.  Quick rinse=immediate lock.  Clean the latch of the gun=gun seal, uniform shock transfer?

[quickdtoo]

The latch and latch shelf are the components that hold the action closed. The latch shelf is the "ledge" below the chamber, the latch is the part that moves when the barrel release is pressed. If they are kept clean and dry, accuracy will improve, although some folks have found that oil stops vertical stringing. The factory recommends it be dry, and that works well for most all of us.

Tim

[northjdr]

The latch shelf engages into the  v-notch on the barrel lug. I use a bore guide to keep stuff from dripping down into this area while I clean. After I clean I make sure to use a q-tip or patch (or gun scrubber if handy) to clean the latch and the notch. also, I now store my H& R's with the barrel down so oil doesn't migrate down into this area. However, the hinge where the rifle pivots when opened should be lightly greased.