How do you see the Carlson, Owens & Kelly departure from conservative norms?

[ironglowz]

  It seems quite clear that in recent months, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens and Megyn Kelly have departed from the conservative norm.

   I used to click onto Candace regularly, and partake of notices by Carlson and Kelly's views, agreeing by a high percentage.

  ..But a short time ago, they seem to have taken issue with the broader body of conservatism.

  Have you noticed, do you have a clear idea what those differences constitute, and why the sudden switch?  Let's hear it..

[Bob Riebe]

           Unlike Democrats, self-centered opinion rules over any loyalty to to Conservative doctrine now in office.
           Democrats , regardless of how disgusting party line, defend the party over their own opinion.
           They are mostly god wannabes.

[gypsyman]

  It seems quite clear that in recent months, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens and Megyn Kelly have departed from the conservative norm.

   I used to click onto Candace regularly, and partake of notices by Carlson and Kelly's views, agreeing by a high percentage.

  ..But a short time ago, they seem to have taken issue with the broader body of conservatism.

  Have you noticed, do you have a clear idea what those differences constitute, and why the sudden switch?  Let's hear it..

Their not afraid to question what they think is a bad idea/agenda or political position. At times, when I see the Democrats all in lock step with what the party wants, and not question anything, reminds me of Russia or Germany 80-100 years ago. I'm actually looking at Fretterman and wondering if more politicians had a brain problem like he had, and came out of it, we'd have politicians working for Americans, not a foreign government. When it seemed like the only 3 politicians that were conservative enough to push for release of the Epstein files, MTG, Massie and Rohanna. MTG and Massie got slammed by conservative's because their both Republicans. When you have politicians that vote 90% and up conservative, getting slammed by their own party, they noticed.

[nw_hunter]

  It seems quite clear that in recent months, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens and Megyn Kelly have departed from the conservative norm.

   I used to click onto Candace regularly, and partake of notices by Carlson and Kelly's views, agreeing by a high percentage.

  ..But a short time ago, they seem to have taken issue with the broader body of conservatism.

  Have you noticed, do you have a clear idea what those differences constitute, and why the sudden switch?  Let's hear it..

Their not afraid to question what they think is a bad idea/agenda or political position. At times, when I see the Democrats all in lock step with what the party wants, and not question anything, reminds me of Russia or Germany 80-100 years ago. I'm actually looking at Fretterman and wondering if more politicians had a brain problem like he had, and came out of it, we'd have politicians working for Americans, not a foreign government. When it seemed like the only 3 politicians that were conservative enough to push for release of the Epstein files, MTG, Massie and Rohanna. MTG and Massie got slammed by conservative's because their both Republicans. When you have politicians that vote 90% and up conservative, getting slammed by their own party, they noticed.

They were infected with a disease called  reality. They are true conservatives, and realize we are being played by both parties. Especially at the corporate federal level. There isn't a true ounce of conservatism left in the republican party. They are True Neocons, and I fear Trump has joined them. What happened to America first? No foreign wars? They represent the agenda of the new world order.  We praise Judaism, and ignore Christianity. Our leaders all condemn the actions of the Muslims and attack them in the mid east, but welcome them by the thousands into our country to reek havoc against the American people. We brought thousands of the most radical, criminal of them ( Somali's into the country under Herbert Walker Bush (Republican) and continued under Clinton (Demo) Again under the Rino, GW Bush (Rep) and again under a true Muslim at heart B Obama (Dem). Tucker, Candice, M. T. Green, and Massie are are true conservatives. Most representing us in DC are Conservative in name only. They wouldn't make a pimple on a good conservative republicans Arse!.

[ironglowz]

  It seems quite clear that in recent months, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens and Megyn Kelly have departed from the conservative norm.

   I used to click onto Candace regularly, and partake of notices by Carlson and Kelly's views, agreeing by a high percentage.

  ..But a short time ago, they seem to have taken issue with the broader body of conservatism.

  Have you noticed, do you have a clear idea what those differences constitute, and why the sudden switch?  Let's hear it..

Their not afraid to question what they think is a bad idea/agenda or political position. At times, when I see the Democrats all in lock step with what the party wants, and not question anything, reminds me of Russia or Germany 80-100 years ago. I'm actually looking at Fretterman and wondering if more politicians had a brain problem like he had, and came out of it, we'd have politicians working for Americans, not a foreign government. When it seemed like the only 3 politicians that were conservative enough to push for release of the Epstein files, MTG, Massie and Rohanna. MTG and Massie got slammed by conservative's because their both Republicans. When you have politicians that vote 90% and up conservative, getting slammed by their own party, they noticed.

They were infected with a disease called  reality. They are true conservatives, and realize we are being played by both parties. Especially at the corporate federal level. There isn't a true ounce of conservatism left in the republican party. They are True Neocons, and I fear Trump has joined them. What happened to America first? No foreign wars? They represent the agenda of the new world order.  We praise Judaism, and ignore Christianity. Our leaders all condemn the actions of the Muslims and attack them in the mid east, but welcome them by the thousands into our country to reek havoc against the American people. We brought thousands of the most radical, criminal of them ( Somali's into the country under Herbert Walker Bush (Republican) and continued under Clinton (Demo) Again under the Rino, GW Bush (Rep) and again under a true Muslim at heart B Obama (Dem). Tucker, Candice, M. T. Green, and Massie are are true conservatives. Most representing us in DC are Conservative in name only. They wouldn't make a pimple on a good conservative republicans Arse!.

     https://www.ifmat.org/11/03/khamenei-death-to-america-is-not-a-slogan-its-our-policy/

     https://nypost.com/2026/02/22/world-news/witkoff-warns-iran-week-away-from-bomb-making-material-as-trump-weighs-action/

   The Ayatollah's promise, and then intelligence assessment.......

   Why gamble on when the nukes will be ready to fly ?
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[DDZ]

Funny how many now are hating on Tucker, Candice, MTG, etc.. when they were all liked not long ago when they were speaking out against the wrongs of the democrat party. They haven't changed, they are just speaking the truth about the republican party, including the Trump administration. And lots of MAGA supporters don't want to hear it.   

[gypsyman]

Funny how many now are hating on Tucker, Candice, MTG, etc.. when they were all liked not long ago when they were speaking out against the wrongs of the democrat party. They haven't changed, they are just speaking the truth about the republican party, including the Trump administration. And lots of MAGA supporters don't want to hear it.   

Exactly!!  Still think Trump was the best choice, but seems like in this term, he's concentrating more on foreign affairs than American problems.And as soon as someone has questioned one of his decisions, they get thrown under the bus. WHY? No president has ever been perfect, but Trump sure thinks he is. Disagree, it's his way, or the highway.

[DDZ]

Funny how many now are hating on Tucker, Candice, MTG, etc.. when they were all liked not long ago when they were speaking out against the wrongs of the democrat party. They haven't changed, they are just speaking the truth about the republican party, including the Trump administration. And lots of MAGA supporters don't want to hear it.   

Exactly!!  Still think Trump was the best choice, but seems like in this term, he's concentrating more on foreign affairs than American problems.And as soon as someone has questioned one of his decisions, they get thrown under the bus. WHY? No president has ever been perfect, but Trump sure thinks he is. Disagree, it's his way, or the highway.

Yeah, Trump voters need to look past the idea of Trump being the savior of the free world, and look at what is really happening. I think also Trump was the best choice. But with him reneging on many of his campaign promises, is he still worthy of the deep praise that some Trump supporters are willing to give him? From what I see. Nope!  Just some of the failures. DOGE, Epstein files, No arrests of political criminals, His FBI investigation of Kirk assassination, investigation of his assassination attempt in Butler, Halting removal of all illegals because it became unpopular, Attacking Iran with no exit strategy, Our forever involvement in foreign affairs costing tax payers more money, the ever increasing federal debt, etc... Tucker and the like talking about it now makes them the bad guys.     

[Mule 11]

There’s a article at Americanthinker.com titled, Trump is defeating Iran and Deep State Foreign
Policy. that has a more conservative take on this. I knew it was important because it kept crashing long before I could read it.

[DDZ]

There’s a article at Americanthinker.com titled, Trump is defeating Iran and Deep State Foreign
Policy. that has a more conservative take on this. I knew it was important because it kept crashing long before I could read it.

word was from Trump and Hegseth that Iran's anti air defenses were completely non existent. An F-15 has been shot down, and just yesterday An A10 was shot down and another hit that made it back to base. Keep hearing we won but now ground forces are ready to be moved in. Hasn't been a war in history that we won by dropping bombs and missiles from planes.  As far as Trump beating the deep state foreign policy. He would be better off defeating the deep state within our own government. Not sure what happened with drain the swamp, but the FBI, and DOJ are still quite infected with swamp creatures. Among other branches of government.   

[Bob Riebe]

           Them saying that was stupid at the least.  Iran's digital air defenses may be totally gone but manual defenses can only be totally destroyed in there is no one left to pull a trigger.
           This will cause either to think twice before blathering blathering.
           There was no excuse other than arrogance for them to have made those statements, especially Hegseth.

           In the Balkans a mostly destroyed air defense shot down an F-117, some today are not paying attention.

[ironglowz]

Funny how many now are hating on Tucker, Candice, MTG, etc.. when they were all liked not long ago when they were speaking out against the wrongs of the democrat party. They haven't changed, they are just speaking the truth about the republican party, including the Trump administration. And lots of MAGA supporters don't want to hear it.

 

  First off; I don't "hate on" anybody, but I do call out misrepresentations when i see them. Hatred is a slow , drawn out, self poisoning venture, of which I choose not
   to participate.

  So far as Tucker, Candace or MTG are concerned, for them to stand on one side of the fence for years, then suddenly vault over to the other side, requires at the least,
    a valid explanation.

   It is what anyone who wishes to maintain their podcast participation list should do. ...And I have not heard any such clarification yet !

   I don't keep any score of how badly Democrats or Republicans are "offended", since I am not a "party person"..

    ..But I do compare statements made by various talking heads, to ascertain how accurate, consistent and true to history they adhere.

      It seems that the first two mentioned at least, have turned 180 degrees from their previous stances.
 
  For instance, Tucker seems to believe that we (the USA), should have allied ourselves with Hitler. 

   https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/08/should-we-have-allied-with-hitler/

  ..And both Tucker and Candace, seem to have suddenly formed a prejudice against what may well be the most unprovokedly hated group of people, the Jews.

    Whether they thought their transformation would build their subscriptions, i do not know.  However, I used to click 0nto their podcasts regularly, but no longer.

  Their big switch without explanation evokes all kinds of thoughts..   Islamic money or threats, corporate persuasion, or seeking larger audience..who knows?

 
  Then there is your earlier statement, which I move to correct..   
    "
Yeah, Trump voters need to look past the idea of Trump being the savior of the free world, and look at what is really happening"

   Sorry...there is only ONE Savior of the world, and He is not Pres Trump....  He is a humble Jewish carpenter, who walked this earth 2,000 years ago !

[ironglowz]

quote author=DDZ link=topic=308741.msg1099858069#msg1099858069 date=1774786563]
Funny how many now are hating on Tucker, Candice, MTG, etc.. when they were all liked not long ago when they were speaking out against the wrongs of the democrat party. They haven't changed, they are just speaking the truth about the republican party, including the Trump administration. And lots of MAGA supporters don't want to hear it.
[/quote] 

  First off; I don't "hate on" anybody, but I do call out misrepresentations when i see them. Hatred is a slow , drawn out, self poisoning venture, of which I choose not
   to participate.

  So far as Tucker, Candace or MTG are concerned, for them to stand on one side of the fence for years, then suddenly vault over to the other side, requires at the least,
    a valid explanation.

   It is what anyone who wishes to maintain their podcast participation list should do. ...And I have not heard any such clarification yet !

   I don't keep any score of how badly Democrats or Republicans are "offended", since I am not a "party person"..

    ..But I do compare statements made by various talking heads, to ascertain how accurate, consistent and true to history they adhere.

      It seems that the first two mentioned at least, have turned 180 degrees from their previous stances.
 
  For instance, Tucker seems to believe that we (the USA), should have allied ourselves with Hitler. 

   https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/08/should-we-have-allied-with-hitler/

  ..And both Tucker and Candace, seem to have suddenly formed a prejudice against what may well be the most unprovokedly hated group of people, the Jews.

    Whether they thought their transformation would build their subscriptions, i do not know.  However, I used to click 0nto their podcasts regularly, but no longer.

  Their big switch without explanation evokes all kinds of thoughts..   Islamic money or threats, corporate persuasion, or seeking larger audience..who knows?

 
  Then there is your earlier statement, which I move to correct..     
   
     "Yeah, Trump voters need to look past the idea of Trump being the savior of the free world, and look at what is really happening"

   Sorry...there is only ONE Savior of the world, and He is not Pres Trump !  He is a humble Jewish carpenter, who walked this earth 2,000 years ago !