What is your expoerience with BYRNA or like guns ?

[ironglowz]

  Retraining and re-equipping safety crew, but our woke, far left governor has made acquiring a CCW, difficult to say the least.

  Some of our team have CCWs, but some do not, so we are considering adding Byrna or similar for those w/o CCW.

  How about your experiences?  I see Umarex also produces a version, how is heir dependability ?

[Ranger99]

Up front-  I've never handled or used one.
Seen em, that's it

It's not something I'd pay for myself.
I've seen impaired /doped up suspects shrug off
tasers as if it were a ant bite. Same for pepper spray.
I want to know that whatever projectile that I'm sending
at another pur son is going to end their aggression
before they can do harm to me.
That's always been the bottom line, although the
thought of self defense is repulsive to many
for some weird reason.
IMO someone who would attack me is worthless
all around, and doesn't deserve any considerations.
If my self defense causes irreversible harm to an
aggressor that's on them. T.F.B.

[ironglowz]

Up front-  I've never handled or used one.
Seen em, that's it

It's not something I'd pay for myself.
I've seen impaired /doped up suspects shrug off
tasers as if it were a ant bite. Same for pepper spray.
I want to know that whatever projectile that I'm sending
at another pur son is going to end their aggression
before they can do harm to me.
That's always been the bottom line, although the
thought of self defense is repulsive to many
for some weird reason.
IMO someone who would attack me is worthless
all around, and doesn't deserve any considerations.
If my self defense causes irreversible harm to an
aggressor that's on them. T.F.B.

, but they may help.

    I know of whence you speak, but the choices I outlined were a Byrna or a sharp stick.  I neglected to mention, this is for a church safety group.

  I don't know if the Byrnas are as good as Sean Hannity says they are, but at least they are something.

  I know of at least myself and perhaps 3 others carrying to include the Pastor, but it wouldn't hurt to have a bit of extra fire power, depending on the when or where of the circumstances.

[DDZ]

I was not familiar with Byrna guns, until I researched them. I think I'd rather carry a knife.  I think it would be rather useless, especially against someone with a real gun. Looking at prices they run from $400 to $580
This is from a comment I read from someone familiar with them.
 
I've been shot by them. Absolutely useless.

Same power as any other cheap plastic paintball gun that takes the tiny co2 cartridges (about 300fps for the first shot, falling rapidly with each follow-up). Barely leaves a mark through a jacket, small welt if hit on the skin. Throwing the gun is honestly more damaging.

The pepper balls use a powder, and you basically have to stand in the cloud for it to have any effect. Low shots, a running target, or even a bit of breeze means the target doesn't get exposed at all. Of course, that assumes they actually break and release powder, they tend to just bounce off soft targets. We had to shoot wood to make them pop (and same can be said for the reviews I've seen)

Plus, pulling a gun shaped object and firing means you've become the aggressor escalating the situation to a life or death situation. Good way to get yourself killed, since you don't actually have a way to defend yourself.

Regular old pepper gel is 100x more effective, easier to carry, easier to use, cheaper, and doesn't get confused for lethal force.

[Lloyd Smale]

ive been tased and its no joke but you live in ny where for a good part of people where heavy jackets that render them about useless. i would guess that they would absorb alot of the energy in one of them too. pepper spray? ive seen people sprayed with it and not even slowed down. 12guage set up might do it but i doubt a pistol version would. id buy a good knife and find somewhere that can train you to use it. if your up close and personal a knife can actually be more effective than a gun. plus its much more intimidating than a toy looking orange gun

[JustaShooter]

pulling a gun shaped object and firing means you've become the aggressor escalating the situation to a life or death situation. Good way to get yourself killed, since you don't actually have a way to defend yourself.

Appreciate the first-hand report of their ineffectiveness.  The above is why I haven't looked into them any further.  If I'm going to pull out a gun-shaped object, it will be a real gun...

[ironglowz]

Thanks for the replies, guess I'll have to find another method for those without a CCW.  I asked here, because if I go to Youtube alone, there is no way on knowing if if a "test" there is genuine, or just  a display by the marketer..

  That being said, the situation I am speaking of, is not the usual self defense situation, since the Byrna would be used in conjunction with other, armed personnel.

  Any other suggestions for the non CCW folks?

[ironglowz]

  Perhaps here is how to handle an "active shooter".. 

  Old Dominion ROTC students, seem to have handled it the right way..     

     https://apnews.com/article/old-dominion-university-virginia-gunman-dead-e49b6d42f2b76d2ad92a2ee72833e9ad

[Ranger99]

Thanks for the replies, guess I'll have to find another method for those without a CCW. . . . 
  . .     Any other suggestions for the non CCW folks?

Just my opinion-

The whole congregation needs to have a serious
meeting and discuss the purpose of any security
planning .
Find out who all is willing to use lethal means to
defend the rest of the congregation, women, children,
elderly, etc., and only those should be considered
for the designated security team, and should
received advanced self defense firearms training.
Either that, or hire armed security.

Today is a different day from 50,40,30, even 10
years ago.
It's not like when I was a kid and the cops advised
people to just hand over your wallet/purse, and
they'd go away and leave you alone.
We've reverted back to the early days of the
country when many churches were targets of
opportunity, and armed church members carried
their black powder flintlocks/caplocks at the
ready while the rest of the congregation were
worshipping.
There's many today who get a thrill from doing
harm to others. We used to execute those people
so they could no longer do harm, but we got
soft and some kind of goofy guilt complex has
infected many people, and the coping gene
has been bred out of the population.

Everybody will have to decide whose life is
more valuable, that of those gathering to
worship the Creator, or those who would do
harm.
It's not a choice to be made with several alternative
solutions. It's completely one or completely
the other.
Nobody else can decide