The very first church..where the apostles assembled..

[ironglowz]

  Uncovered in the 1960s..the under ground church used by the apostles.  As Jesus instructed them, they waited in Jerusalem after the His resurrection.

  If this is genuine ..and it appears so, this is the very first Christian church, with the Lord's half brother James as overseer.

   The above ground structure is of course of a recent construction, built to preserve the original.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoEvDkzRRj8

    Between the 5:30 to 6:00 minute mark, artifacts and the early Christian symbol is described, which shows the lineage of Christianity..
     From the menorah, to the Star of David..with the early Christian symbol of the fish (fishers of men), descending from the star.

      All the apostles were of course, Jewish, even though some had Greek names, so it  shows in their early pictograph..
 
   

[Dee]

Sounds like a catholic myth to me.

[ironglowz]

Sounds like a catholic myth to me.

  The Greek Orthodox church holds the keys to the above ground protective cage.

[Dee]

Sounds like a catholic myth to me.

  The Greek Orthodox church holds the keys to the above ground protective cage.

But there's ZERO PROOF its the first church, or where the apostles assembled. 100% speculation.

[ironglowz]

Sounds like a catholic myth to me.

  The Greek Orthodox church holds the keys to the above ground protective cage.

But there's ZERO PROOF its the first church, or where the apostles assembled. 100% speculation.

  Not  rock solid proof...in archaeology, rarely is solid PROOF found.  One can only  go by the evidence, and in this case the evidence is apparently quite strong.

  Just as the death and resurrection of Jesus, if it were tried in a court, we have no proof to offer, but mountains of evidence.

  Same as the Viking settlement at L'Anse Au Meadows, Newfoundland, the evidence is very strong, iron working on the spot rules out the natives, building dimensions and construction closely match the Viking building practices of that era., and  a stone whorl found there, points to women in the settlement.

  These, plus other discoveries, is enough evidence to convince archaeologists and historians that it is the remnant of a Viking settlement !t.

  Let Cliff explain;   https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aZE9va2nTJM            https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nH9C7vLIRL8

[ironglowz]

   Archaeology is simply basic detective work;

       
AI Summary

To understand why archaeology is not always an exact science, consider the following points:

Interpretations of artifacts can vary based on cultural context.
Limited evidence can lead to multiple plausible explanations.
Preservation conditions affect the availability of materials for study.
Excavation methods can introduce biases in findings.
New technologies can change previous understandings of sites.
The subjective nature of analysis can influence conclusions.

[Dixie-Dude]

Didn't they carbon 14 date the location?  I do know early Christians used the fish symbol.  Also, it makes sense, all of them being Jewish to use a symbol of the Minorah and the Star of David, then add the fish symbol to the progression from Judaism to Christianity.  None of these symbols are either Catholic or Eastern Orthodox.  One thing about the Eastern Orthodox that many here probably do not know is they allow their priests to marry, baptize by immersion and do not baptize children until they are 12 to make their commitment to Christ.  The Catholic Church in the early 1,000's AD started requiring Priests not to marry, and they stopped baptizing by immersion and started sprinkling babies as well as adults. 

Haven't studied much about the other stuff, because I am Bapticostal in my beliefs.     

[ironglowz]

Didn't they carbon 14 date the location?  I do know early Christians used the fish symbol.  Also, it makes sense, all of them being Jewish to use a symbol of the Minorah and the Star of David, then add the fish symbol to the progression from Judaism to Christianity.  None of these symbols are either Catholic or Eastern Orthodox.  One thing about the Eastern Orthodox that many here probably do not know is they allow their priests to marry, baptize by immersion and do not baptize children until they are 12 to make their commitment to Christ.  The Catholic Church in the early 1,000's AD started requiring Priests not to marry, and they stopped baptizing by immersion and started sprinkling babies as well as adults. 

Haven't studied much about the other stuff, because I am Bapticostal in my beliefs.   

   Yes; both rhe RC and Greek church wandered a bit after becoming more or less political, under Constantine. I don't endorse all they believe, any more than they endorse what I believe.

  The very Greek word "bapt'o" means to immerse..

  I don't know if they retrieved anything that was carbon datable. Normally it takes once living remains to carbon date.  T

  his ancient, "first" church is located nearby in the "upper room", where the apostles celebrated the Last Supper.  Some authorities claim that as true..  Although the upper room has been destroyed a couple times over the centuries, it has been rebuilt.

  This tour guide gal will explain.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDdktsDJTiM&t=943s

  I only post this for Christian interest...

[Dixie-Dude]

Yes, it seems the Catholic church wandered more than the Eastern Orthodox church thus leading to the Protestant reformation.  You know, it is also interesting that the printing press was invented about the same time.  People could read the Bible for themselves and could see the wandering away from the simple Gospel. 

Another interesting thing is in Colonial America, reading was taught to all kids from the Bible, and most of the Ivy league schools were started by Christians.  And, early America actually had a higher standard of living for most people than in England or France, more educated people also because of the Christian influence. 

[Dee]

Man has always tried to supersede God by dictate to followers how to properly worship God. Catholicism gets the most criticism, because it is the prominent, and the most obvious, with all its sainthoods and ceremonies. Methodist, and Baptist churches however, are fast catching up.

Take this thread for instance. Its very title claims something that is not only erroneous, but impossible to validate. Man is willing to fabricate information in order appear more holy. The "Shroud of Turin" is yet another example. Its been promoted even here that its the shroud Christ was buried in, when in fact, nobody has a clue where it even came from. There isn't any proof that its even the image of a man on it, when it could have been an old piece or cloth thrown into a corner somewhere. Crap, people are seeing the image of what they claim is Christ on pieces of toast, and the image of the Virgin Mary on water damaged walls. "MAN" is never satisfied with scripture, they want something they can see. If folks studied what God actually gave him, the Bible/Scripture,  they'd be a lot further down the road to Christianity. This thread topic church is just another of mans distraction from Gods TRUTH.

[Bob Riebe]

      Other ancient Christian churches, besides Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, include the Church of the East and the Oriental Orthodox Churches. The Oriental Orthodox Churches are a communion of churches that includes

 the Armenian Apostolic Church,
the Coptic Orthodox Church,
the Syriac Orthodox Church,
 the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church,
and the Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church.

The Church of the East includes
 the Assyrian Church of the East
 and the Ancient Church of the East, which share a distinct theological tradition

[ironglowz]

 I expected that without saying so, most would understand that I presented the "first church" as an intellectual exercise and suggestion for those interested.

  I made no claim of absolute surety, but just a possibility, and a good possibility at that !  I never claimed it to be the ONLY possibility.
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  If we were to run our lives expending energy, trying to crush every new thought or exploration, we would never get anywhere.

   Something else to contemplate;   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZDfGiXJjjI         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkJtgZWyy90


   Don't be afraid...it won't bite !