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The very first church..where the apostles assembled..
« on: Yesterday at 02:00:37 AM »
  Uncovered in the 1960s..the under ground church used by the apostles.  As Jesus instructed them, they waited in Jerusalem after the His resurrection.

  If this is genuine ..and it appears so, this is the very first Christian church, with the Lord's half brother James as overseer.

   The above ground structure is of course of a recent construction, built to preserve the original.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoEvDkzRRj8

    Between the 5:30 to 6:00 minute mark, artifacts and the early Christian symbol is described, which shows the lineage of Christianity..
     From the menorah, to the Star of David..with the early Christian symbol of the fish (fishers of men), descending from the star.

      All the apostles were of course, Jewish, even though some had Greek names, so it  shows in their early pictograph..
 
   

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Re: The very first church..where the apostles assembled..
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 09:46:52 AM »
Sounds like a catholic myth to me.
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Re: The very first church..where the apostles assembled..
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 11:11:24 AM »
Sounds like a catholic myth to me.

  The Greek Orthodox church holds the keys to the above ground protective cage.


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Re: The very first church..where the apostles assembled..
« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 01:37:41 PM »
Sounds like a catholic myth to me.

  The Greek Orthodox church holds the keys to the above ground protective cage.



But there's ZERO PROOF its the first church, or where the apostles assembled. 100% speculation.
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Re: The very first church..where the apostles assembled..
« Reply #4 on: Today at 09:05:14 AM »
Sounds like a catholic myth to me.

  The Greek Orthodox church holds the keys to the above ground protective cage.



But there's ZERO PROOF its the first church, or where the apostles assembled. 100% speculation.

  Not  rock solid proof...in archaeology, rarely is solid PROOF found.  One can only  go by the evidence, and in this case the evidence is apparently quite strong.

  Just as the death and resurrection of Jesus, if it were tried in a court, we have no proof to offer, but mountains of evidence.

  Same as the Viking settlement at L'Anse Au Meadows, Newfoundland, the evidence is very strong, iron working on the spot rules out the natives, building dimensions and construction closely match the Viking building practices of that era., and  a stone whorl found there, points to women in the settlement.

  These, plus other discoveries, is enough evidence to convince archaeologists and historians that it is the remnant of a Viking settlement !t.

  Let Cliff explain;   https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aZE9va2nTJM            https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nH9C7vLIRL8

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Re: The very first church..where the apostles assembled..
« Reply #5 on: Today at 09:19:51 AM »
   Archaeology is simply basic detective work;

       
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To understand why archaeology is not always an exact science, consider the following points:

Interpretations of artifacts can vary based on cultural context.
Limited evidence can lead to multiple plausible explanations.
Preservation conditions affect the availability of materials for study.
Excavation methods can introduce biases in findings.
New technologies can change previous understandings of sites.
The subjective nature of analysis can influence conclusions.

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Re: The very first church..where the apostles assembled..
« Reply #6 on: Today at 09:31:25 AM »
Didn't they carbon 14 date the location?  I do know early Christians used the fish symbol.  Also, it makes sense, all of them being Jewish to use a symbol of the Minorah and the Star of David, then add the fish symbol to the progression from Judaism to Christianity.  None of these symbols are either Catholic or Eastern Orthodox.  One thing about the Eastern Orthodox that many here probably do not know is they allow their priests to marry, baptize by immersion and do not baptize children until they are 12 to make their commitment to Christ.  The Catholic Church in the early 1,000's AD started requiring Priests not to marry, and they stopped baptizing by immersion and started sprinkling babies as well as adults. 

Haven't studied much about the other stuff, because I am Bapticostal in my beliefs.     
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Re: The very first church..where the apostles assembled..
« Reply #7 on: Today at 01:05:30 PM »
Didn't they carbon 14 date the location?  I do know early Christians used the fish symbol.  Also, it makes sense, all of them being Jewish to use a symbol of the Minorah and the Star of David, then add the fish symbol to the progression from Judaism to Christianity.  None of these symbols are either Catholic or Eastern Orthodox.  One thing about the Eastern Orthodox that many here probably do not know is they allow their priests to marry, baptize by immersion and do not baptize children until they are 12 to make their commitment to Christ.  The Catholic Church in the early 1,000's AD started requiring Priests not to marry, and they stopped baptizing by immersion and started sprinkling babies as well as adults. 

Haven't studied much about the other stuff, because I am Bapticostal in my beliefs.   

   Yes; both rhe RC and Greek church wandered a bit after becoming more or less political, under Constantine. I don't endorse all they believe, any more than they endorse what I believe.

  The very Greek word "bapt'o" means to immerse..

  I don't know if they retrieved anything that was carbon datable. Normally it takes once living remains to carbon date.  T

  his ancient, "first" church is located nearby in the "upper room", where the apostles celebrated the Last Supper.  Some authorities claim that as true..  Although the upper room has been destroyed a couple times over the centuries, it has been rebuilt.

  This tour guide gal will explain.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDdktsDJTiM&t=943s

  I only post this for Christian interest...