Should The Un-United States Get Involved?

[Dee]

Since WWII the United States has entered into one war after another, while losing every single one. Our nation building habits have costs billions in tax dollars, and thousands in American lives with nuthin to show for it but failure.
Now, Israel has started something worth starting (my opinion), but do not have the technology to take out some of the nuclear sites.
I think we should step in and do that. But that's just my opinion.

[DDZ]

Yes Israel needs our advanced bunker buster bomb to take out the underground nuclear enrichment plants. The bomb weights 15 tons, and the stealth bomber is the only plane that can deliver it.   

[Mule 11]

From what I’ve read, maybe Israel doesn’t need our help.

[Dee]

Actually they're saying that they do need our help with some of our heavier ordinance. I think it was the Israeli ambassador to the Un-United States that said it.

[DDZ]

Trump has a tough decision on whether to get involved. Then there are the long time war mongers like Linsey Grahram who thinks we should go in and bomb everything and kill their leaders.   

[Dee]

Lindsay Graham is a charlatan and should be voted out. Hes switched horses so many times he's wore out his saddle.

[scattershot]

While I sympathize with Israel, those folks have been fighting for 2000 years, and I don’t see that there’s much that we can do for them long term.On the other hand, the thought of Iran with nukes is scary. Glad it’s not my decision to make.

[Lloyd Smale]

they need to go in but go in gloves off and launch everything we have to destroy iran and their proxys ability to make war in one sweeping attack. no punches pulled and yup some civilians will be killed. THATS WAR! there will be other countries sceaming foul but if we absolutely kick their a===s those countries will do nothing but wine. if we do it half as--d and show ANY weakness or indecision we will open a BIG can of worms. same goes for our own wacko far left. if trump cant show he kicked but and isnt over in days not months or years he will probably loose support even by some wishy washy republicans. he needs a much larger version of what bush jr did.

[JeffG]

I just asked my wife, "How much of Iran's aggression and destruction, is the world suppose to take?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

[moamonkey]

I really hate the thought of where it might lead, but it’s an awful good time to go in and throttle ’em. I think the world knows where we all stand and would understand, if not applaud, our involvement.

[Goldie]

I think with Irans latest bombing of a Israeli hospital might have a impact on his decision.

[Dixie-Dude]

No need for ground troops.  Bunker buster bombs can be dropped out of a C-130 transport plane.  Doesn't have to have a stealth bomber or any bomber.  If you have air superiority any large transport plane can drop one out of the back. 

The elephant in the room is Iran's oil.  Sanctions never worked as Iran sold oil to any third world country that needed oil, like African nations, India, China, etc.  So, bomb their oil facilities, pipelines, oil wells, loading docks, etc.  Bomb their power plants after bombing all their military facilities.  They would be back in the dark ages.  They couldn't be able to use their own oil for power plants, gasoline for their own vehicles, etc.  The only drawback to this is higher oil prices world wide, but how much really?  Other countries have oil, we frack and drill offshore.  Oil imports if necessary can have no tariffs. 

This is an easy price to pay for peace as Iran has sponsored almost all the rebels in the Middle East with rockets, missiles, and weapons.  From Yemen to Lebanon, as well as to Hamas.  No Iran for a while, peace for a while.  Enough is enough.  Even Saudi Arabia is doing air patrols over Yemen to keep them from launching missiles at Israel. 

 

[Bob Riebe]

No need for ground troops.  Bunker buster bombs can be dropped out of a C-130 transport plane.  Doesn't have to have a stealth bomber or any bomber.  If you have air superiority any large transport plane can drop one out of the back. 
 

A C-130 would be shot down.  This is not Afghanistan where the enemy has no aircraft or anti-aircraft defense.
MOB is not the same bomb as used in Afghanistan, it more advanced.

     Iran still has some functional F-14s with truly long range air to air missiles.

[Casull]

Israel done most of the heavy lifting.  If we can aid them with a few MOAB's, I would have no problem with that.

[Dee]

No need for ground troops.  Bunker buster bombs can be dropped out of a C-130 transport plane.  Doesn't have to have a stealth bomber or any bomber.  If you have air superiority any large transport plane can drop one out of the back. 
 

A C-130 would be shot down.  This is not Afghanistan where the enemy has no aircraft or anti-aircraft defense.
MOB is not the same bomb as used in Afghanistan, it more advanced.

     Iran still has some functional F-14s with truly long range air to air missiles.

I think Israel has pretty much taken control of Iranian air space.

[Bob Riebe]

     Iran is a very large country, they could relocate part of their air force south, to protect it till the crap really hits the fan and they have no choice.  There Israel would be pushing its limits.

     It is a thousand miles from Tehran to its Southern most air base and there are others 700 to 800 miles away.

[JeffG]

I really think a worthwhile goal is to remove the crazy Aitolia regime, without destroying too much of the country, and give the opportunity to govern back to the Iranian people. They have been suffering under this crushing oppression for a long time. Never has there been a better example for a separation of church and state.

[Dee]

Agreed, but I think they're weighing the hazards of the devil we know,  vs the devil we don't know.

[ironglowz]

  Actually, the main aim of the Ayatollah, is the United States. Keep in mind his own statements..... little Satan (Israel) , great Satan (USA)..and he has already prescribed
   death for both !

  Things would go much easier..so far as the low information public is concerned, if the mullahs were to attack some American property or personnel.

  Likely, the bunker busters is all Israel needs help with. Little question that Israel has control of the sky over Iran (size..Texas, X2)..
    ..And no, the C-130 would not be the proper delivery vehicle, the proper one would be the B2 bomber...they can't shoot it down if they can't see it coming..

  We have had many reasons to take Iran out..not the least of which was the bombing of the marine barracks in October 1983..where 220 Marines , 18 sailors and 3   soldiers were murdered.

  The biggest screw up specialist was Jimmy Carter, who ushered the Ayatollah into Iran, when with a small amount of effort, he could have left Iran as it was..a modern,
 20th century society.

[gypsyman]

 I'd lean more to helping Israel if there wasn't so much money involved. Biggest donor to most of the politicians is AIPAC.  Just about every politician that has a dual citizenship in DC, it's with Israel. Only one or 2 have one with a different country. Makes me wonder who their real loyalty goes to?Cruz on Tucker Carlson's show couple days ago, was ready to shine Bibi's boots and cut his grass for him. If they want to really try and stop this war, Matt Gaetz had a good idea. Both sides stop fighting, and let inspectors examine both Israel and Iran's nuclear facility's and make sure neither side has any.

[darkgael]

“ give the opportunity to govern back to the Iranian people.”
A noble sentiment.
When did the Iranian people ever “govern themselves”?

[Dee]

“ give the opportunity to govern back to the Iranian people.”
A noble sentiment.
When did the Iranian people ever “govern themselves”?

Well, the Sha was probably as close as they ever got.

[Dixie-Dude]

They have been interviewing the Sha's son and he wants the people to rise up and throw out the current leaders.  He is open to return and establish a constitutional monarchy like England, and open up more to the west. 

[Dee]

Yeah, the world needs another king. Truth of the matter is the Sha was a problem to the Iranian people also.

[darkgael]

Very true. The Shah was installed by the CIA ,
He was no friend to the Iranian people. His secret police, the Savak, were much feared.

[Dee]

Agreed