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The Classic .30-30 Winchester
« on: July 23, 2020, 10:16:58 AM »
https://gundigest.com/gear-ammo/reloading/reloading-bench-the-classic-30-30-winchester

By Philip Massaro -July 20, 2020


Fall in love with the 125-year-old .30-30 Winchester all over again, this time on the reloading bench.

Does anyone shoot a .30-30 anymore? I mean, it doesn’t say “Creedmoor,” it doesn’t launch bullets with a BC of .900, and it sure won’t take an elk at 700 yards.

However, the resounding answer is, Hell, yeah! It still makes an excellent close-quarters rifle for deer, black bear, feral hogs and more. It’s very easy to shoot, it usually comes in a slim, svelte rifle that’s easy to carry, and it handles well in the thick woods.

Is it sexy? Certainly not by modern standards, but there’s absolutely no arguing the effectiveness of the cartridge in the hands of a hunter who knows how to get within 100 or so yards of their quarry.

Like my father, I took my first whitetail with a .30-30. I had a Winchester Model 94, and my father had a Marlin Model 1893. It was affordable to shoot (to this day, a decent box of ammo can be had for under $20), and while I’ve had many rifles since, I can honestly say that I’ve had more misfires with factory .30-30 ammunition than probably all others combined. Across the multitude of Marlins, Savages, H&Rs and Winchesters, it seemed as if the 1980s and ’90s were eras of lousy .30-30 ammunition.

However, it did have an upside: It drove me to learn how to handload my own ammunition.

The .30-30 Backstory

With a big rim for positive headspacing and a neck long enough for good neck tension, the .30-30 Winchester isn’t at all hard to handload. Historically, it has the honor of being the first American small-bore cartridge designed around smokeless powder, and it’s simply a .38-55 Winchester case necked down to hold .308-inch-diameter bullets.


For the New York bear season, especially the early season when the vegetation is still thick, a .30-30 and a round-nose Partition make perfect sense.

At the time, our beloved .30-caliber was not anywhere as popular as it currently is (.32-caliber was actually more popular in the late 1890s), but as the .30-30 Winchester, along with the .30-40 Krag, it was about to change all that. The John M. Browning-designed Model 1894 Winchester would be the major vehicle to bring the cartridge to the masses, going on to sell more than 7,000,000 units—with the majority in .30-30 Winchester.

The very name of the cartridge hints at the proper powder charge; while using the black powder-era nomenclature, the latter number in the name is actually the smokeless powder charge. (My own favorite loads weigh at or near 30 grains … but more about that in a minute.)

Like so many of the rimmed, lever-action cartridges of that era, the .30-30 Winchester has a rather thin case. While this doesn’t pose an issue if pressures and velocities are kept in check, when a reloader tries to push the envelope, the case will often fail prematurely, usually in the form of cracked necks. In some lever guns, excess pressure could manifest itself in the form of primers popping out of the pocket slightly.

Barrel Lengths & Velocities

I’ll say this straight-faced: Trying to turn the .30-30 Winchester into the .300 Savage or .308 Winchester is no good for you or your rifle, but if you accept the parameters of the cartridge, you’ll have a lifetime of great shooting. The factory ammunition for the .30-30 lists the 170-grain load at roughly 2,200 fps and the 150-grain load at 2,400 fps. Those numbers are usually spot-on in the longer-barreled rifles, but no so much in the carbines.


At 125 years old, Winchester’s .30-30 still makes an excellent hunting cartridge.

For example, my Winchester Model 94 AE XTR is a light and handy rifle, but its 20-inch barrel gives velocities about 150 fps lower than the advertised values. My dad’s 1902-vintage Marlin Model 1893 (with its 26-inch barrel) gives muzzle velocities much closer to those listed on the box.

Does that mean my rifle is ineffective? No, but it does affect the trajectory out past 100 yards, and I’m not comfortable shooting iron sights much farther than that anyhow.

So, when reloading for the .30-30, plan to see velocities commensurate to your barrel length. Handloaded ammunition for the .30-30 will generally run about 50 fps behind factory ammunition, and then, you should adjust for your barrel length—about 25 to 30 fps for each inch of deviation from the test barrel—adding speed if your barrel is longer and subtracting if it’s shorter.

Best .30-30 Winchester Loads

The most accurate load in my Winchester 94 uses a 170-grain Hornady InterLock round-nose bullet over 30.0 grains of IMR4064, sparked by a CCI 200 primer, with a muzzle velocity of 2,025 fps. It’ll print three in an inch at 50 yards, and just over 2 inches at 100. At 170 grains, the Hornady Interlock has enough sectional density to give good penetration on both deer and bear.

I also like the 170-grain Nosler Partition—with a good round-nose design so there’s no issue in a tubular magazine—over 31.2 grains of IMR4320 in the longer-barreled Marlin, giving 2,190 fps. The same bullet is equally accurate with 27.0 grains of Norma 200 powder (while not nearly as popular as the IMR, Hodgdon and Alliant powders, the Norma series is excellent stuff). Be sure to check the barrel length on the test data, and if your barrel is longer, it’s most important to start at the bottom of the scale and work upward.

If you live in a lead-free zone or prefer the performance of a monometal bullet, the 150-grain Nosler E-Tip, with a round, polymer tip and boat-tail (for ease of loading), makes a great choice. That Marlin 1893 likes a charge of 31.5 grains of IMR4895 for 2,415 fps.

I like to seat my bullets to the middle of the cannelure, and I set my seating die up for a good roll crimp. Both these rifles use a side-loading gate and a tubular magazine, and the nose of the bullet will be used to push the previous cartridge farther into the tube magazine; even with the .30-30’s good neck tension, the bullet can be pushed into the case without a good crimp.

A standard large rifle primer (I lean heavily on the Federal 210 and the CCI 200) will work just fine for the .30-30 case, because the capacity usually runs between 34 and 36 grains, depending on brand and bullet seating depth. For powder choices, the .30-30 likes medium-burning choices such as IMR4064, IMR4320, Varget, Reloder 15 and IMR4895. I’ve had good results with Norma 200 and Accurate 5744 as well.

For lever rifles, I highly recommend full-length resizing all your cases, because the rifles don’t have the power to cam the action closed like a bolt rifle does. Keep things consistent, and I bet you’ll fall in love with the 125-year-old cartridge all over again.

The article originally appeared in the November 2019 issue of Gun Digest the Magazine.


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Re: The Classic .30-30 Winchester
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2020, 12:58:51 PM »
He left out my favorite load, 30-31 gr of 3031 (IMR). I just seems right and puts a 150 gr flat point in the black every time.
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Re: The Classic .30-30 Winchester
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2020, 01:29:52 PM »
Right Bill; I have been saying that for years!  Here in the hilly, eastern woodlands the 30/30 is one of the best choices..and the lever is among the best actions.


  I have used a Marlin 336 and single shot .44 mag rifles to harvest deer, and since the range is generally limited, they kill them just as dead as the big boomers!


  ...And now days for me, the lesser recoil is appreciated.
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Re: The Classic .30-30 Winchester
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2020, 05:21:26 PM »
If they all had to go, I'd still have
my daddy's 1950 Marlin.
Everywhere I've ever carried it and
used it for hunting, it was always
more than adequate and did the
job quickly and humanely.


JMO- I still have never figured why
these guys think that a 30/30 more
or less peters out at 100 yards
and plows straight down into the dirt

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Re: The Classic .30-30 Winchester
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2020, 12:57:17 AM »
  From Ranger99 ;" JMO- I still have never figured whythese guys think that a 30/30 moreor less peters out at 100 yardsand plows straight down into the dirt" 

    Yes, I find it comical when someone thinks in that manner.
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Re: The Classic .30-30 Winchester
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2020, 04:40:26 PM »
Wasn't too awful long ago that I
read an article that had a quote:
" A 45/70 is a hundred yard gun.
I don't care what you do to it "


Don't remember if I ever posted
that on GBO or not


If I was honest with myself,  I
could most likely do with my
30/30 as my only centerfire
and not be handicapped at all

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Re: The Classic .30-30 Winchester
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2020, 10:23:23 PM »
makes for a great home defense gun too if you don't have an ar15. Where I really enjoy them is shooting cast bullets with 7 grains of unique. Cheap fun shooting.
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Re: The Classic .30-30 Winchester
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2020, 01:12:54 AM »
 From Ranger99;
Wasn't too awful long ago that I
read an article that had a quote:
" A 45/70 is a hundred yard gun.
I don't care what you do to it "


Don't remember if I ever posted
that on GBO or not
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


  Your post stirred my memory..  I guess this fellow was not informed of the limited range of the 45/70.. Not even way back in black powder days !


    Your post stirred my memory..  I guess this fellow was not told how limited the range of a 45/70 is, even back in the black powder days ![/size]   https://truewestmagazine.com/a-long-shot/#:~:text=A%20Long%20Shot%20The%20Second,heard%20%27round%20campfires%20ever%20since.&text=The%20Comanches%20and%20their%20Kiowa,buffalo%20hunters%20off%20their%20land.
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