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Yoopers..what's the scoop here ?
« on: July 16, 2020, 11:29:55 AM »
..Anything to this story?  Is this a rival for Minnesota's Kensington rune stone ?


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Re: Yoopers..what's the scoop here ?
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2020, 11:37:33 AM »
I watched a show on TV about it. Their bottom line was there was no real evidence of it being real but as I recall they couldn't prove it fake beyond a doubt either. So I guess it's kinda up in the air believe or not as ya wish.

Me I kinda don't believe it real. Not that I don't believe anyone made it here prior to Columbus (who by the way didn't really make it HERE) other than those folks who got the handle "Indians" tagged onto by early Europeans.


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Re: Yoopers..what's the scoop here ?
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2020, 11:05:57 PM »
I know theres some pretty rock solid proof that the Vikings had settlements in MI way before Columbus landed on this continent and that copper was mined in the UP way before they thought any white men were in MI. But when I watch a tv show that shows two guns chopping down a tree with an ax and then stacking wood cut with a chain saw it makes me wonder if some of this isn't just made up for entertainment.
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2020, 03:53:34 AM »
I know theres some pretty rock solid proof that the Vikings had settlements in MI way before Columbus landed on this continent and that copper was mined in the UP way before they thought any white men were in MI. But when I watch a tv show that shows two guns chopping down a tree with an ax and then stacking wood cut with a chain saw it makes me wonder if some of this isn't just made up for entertainment.


  Yes Lloyd...i noticed that too, but then the intro probably had little to do with the substance.. ;) ;D
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2020, 11:15:54 PM »
I had to chuckle watching that. Two guys standing opposite of each other chopping on a tree on both sides. Do that more then a couple times and your going to be dead. Can you imagine how long it would take to cut down a tree and cut it into firewood sized pieces with an axe and not even a buck saw!! Up here in the winter youd probably have to work 2o hour days just to heat your cabin.
I know theres some pretty rock solid proof that the Vikings had settlements in MI way before Columbus landed on this continent and that copper was mined in the UP way before they thought any white men were in MI. But when I watch a tv show that shows two guns chopping down a tree with an ax and then stacking wood cut with a chain saw it makes me wonder if some of this isn't just made up for entertainment.


  Yes Lloyd...i noticed that too, but then the intro probably had little to do with the substance.. ;) ;D
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Re: Yoopers..what's the scoop here ?
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2020, 12:59:14 AM »
Then of course, in the introduction, it showed the subject stone grown into a tree roots, probably by a hundred years or so.  I wonder if that part is true?  As they went into the story, I don't recall them pointing that out..an important clue.
  Being grown into tree roots by a hundred years or so, means quite a bit, since I doubt many forgers would want to wait a hundred years to pull off such a scheme.


  Meanwhile it is not hard to see how explorers could end up in the UP.  The highways into the newly discovered (by Europeans) land, was it's waterways. Viewing a map of North America, there is a clear waterway from the Hudson Bay, all the way to the UP as well as many other inland points. Only a portage around Niagara would be required.
 
  If Spain was willing to finance an entire expedition, hopefully around the world, to gain access to spices, why not other powers, seeking precious metals ?  We know now, that the Vikings were well aware of the new world, and their settlements were very nearly perched on the Hudson Bay !
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Re: Yoopers..what's the scoop here ?
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2020, 11:45:33 PM »
don't get me wrong ironglow. I neutral on whether this is true or not. But its not hard to dig around an oak or maple tree enough to stuff something in the roots and the part about it being in the roots of the tree wasn't even in the story when I first heard it. It was found on the ground covered by vegetation. The made for tv version is quiet a bit different. Might have been some roots around it but in a hardwoods forest theres roots everywhere you dig. From right on top of the ground to 10 feet or more down. keep in mind that that wasn't real footage of them finding it just a entertainment tonight reenactment. My guess is that if it was in a hardwood forest where loggers log just the leaves falling over 300 years would have buried it pretty deep in top soil and not many loggers I know dig around trees with a shovel. Maybe a farmer stumping land to make a field but not a logger. They get paid by the wood they cut and don't just for fun dig around trees. I have no doubt what so ever that in the bronze age copper from the UP made it to Europe. Probably by the Vikings. I have no doubt in my mind that it was Christopher Columbus what was the first European to step foot in America. What I doubt is the validity of that rock and lets just say my mind isn't closed to possibility its legit. Its just that the storys around it seem to change with every person that tells it. Couple more things that make me doubt it is that the Kensington Runestone  gets all kinds of publicity and this one very little. Maybe because they know its a fake. Also right after this was found there was a rash of "VIKING" discoverys around northern Michigan. One thing about these "unsolved mystery" types of shows. As the get to a second or third season there really reaching and embellishing to make an episode.
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2020, 01:01:00 AM »
Yes, such 'discoveries" make great TV fare !
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2020, 11:38:19 PM »
keep in mind too the area that story came from is a big tourist trap area and they would do about anything to bring in more liberal yuppies to spend there money.
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2020, 04:49:22 AM »
keep in mind too the area that story came from is a big tourist trap area and they would do about anything to bring in more liberal yuppies to spend there money.


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  The reports helped to popularize the lake and fill it's hotel and other venues.


   One nice fall day, the hotel caught fire, and during the operations by the fire fighters, guess what they found in the attic of the hotel?  I think you may have already guessed.. a sea serpent !


  The nearby town of Perry, along with Silver Lake Assn., still hold a "sea serpent days" festival .
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Re: Yoopers..what's the scoop here ?
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2020, 05:04:12 AM »
heck we have a statue of big foot at the local pastie shop! Believe it or not people actually come here to look for it. No end to the stupidity of some of those yuppies. Shows just like that one shovel out all that bs.
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Re: Yoopers..what's the scoop here ?
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2020, 03:59:05 PM »
... And somewhere there actually is a huge ball of string, balled up by some eccentric...which people drive miles to see.


  OK..I didn't have to search very long.. 


    [size=78%]http://www.nbcnews.com/id/38540741/ns/travel-destination_travel/t/americas-strangest-roadside-attractions/#.XxZMLHuSnpM[/size]


  ..And people sometimes wonder just who would buy a "pet rock"!
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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2020, 10:36:18 PM »
yup and a big wooden boat that is suppose to be a replica of noahs arc that has never even been seen. Suckers born every day that easily part with there money.
... And somewhere there actually is a huge ball of string, balled up by some eccentric...which people drive miles to see.


  OK..I didn't have to search very long.. 


    [size=78%]http://www.nbcnews.com/id/38540741/ns/travel-destination_travel/t/americas-strangest-roadside-attractions/#.XxZMLHuSnpM[/size]


  ..And people sometimes wonder just who would buy a "pet rock"!
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