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Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« on: May 06, 2013, 02:53:36 PM »
http://www.chuckhawks.com/can_we_endure.htm
 
 
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After having said all of the above, we now ask--no, we beg--our politicians not to drive this country any further down the path to self-destruction. Respect the rights of all Americans. Even if you do not agree with their views or beliefs, they are entitled to them under our Constitution. Respect the Constitution as written by our founding fathers. Do not attempt to change it to conform to your particular view of what our country should be, we like it as it is. Because, if you continue down the path you are following, our great nation will not survive.


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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2013, 04:41:38 PM »
it is the goal of the liar-in-chief to either become king or destroy the country.  If we have elections in 2016 I will be amazed.
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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2013, 11:46:40 PM »
I do believe the majority of our elected wish to disarm us. The only reason they don't impose more anti gun laws is because of the fear of losing their cushy well paying jobs.
We are a nation divided, especially culturally divided. Instead of insisting that other cultures assimilate to ours. We decided to celebrate diversity instead. There are not many, if any at all, samples of culturally diverse nations that survived. Look what happened to the Roman Empire not long after they accepted diverse cultures. We are going to fail.     
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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2013, 03:34:52 AM »
I heard on the radio yesterday that the the big divide is Washington and the people. Its not the rich and poor, white and Black, left and right,
 its Them(Washington) and Us(The people/taxapyers). They dont understand us, they dont appreciate us, and they dont respect us. Maybe we should stop paying taxes, working and supporting them. It would probably be more effective than voting.
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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2013, 03:51:31 AM »
I do believe the majority of our elected wish to disarm us.
I do believe you are right about that.
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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2013, 01:08:46 PM »
we are one of the very few nations that do not have an official language. In most you must learn the official language to become a citizen.

In most countries if you go to court and do not speak the official language you must pay out of your own pocket for a translator. Not here. The taxpayers cough it up.

Having an official language would unite us. Other heritages could be celibrated but we would have one unifying language. The lack of a national language will be the major source of our destruction; right behind the obamanation.

In generations past it was a source of pride for immigrants to learn english.  No longer.
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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2013, 09:35:43 PM »
I do believe the majority of our elected wish to disarm us.

 
its the first rule of creeping socialism or passive socialism the UN and there one world government plan and you would be shocked at how many of our politicians in the world want this 
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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2013, 06:37:11 AM »
shocked, not a bit.  We must remember and force elected officials to remember, the Constitution is the Law of the Land, not any treaty with the UN.
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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2013, 03:10:14 AM »
America has always been a divided nation. Early immigrants came bringing their cultures ans religious views with them. But we pulled together in times of emergency. That part has changed because so many are not legally here or have religious mandates they believe more important than obeying the law of the land.

Communism, socialism, & Islam are all religions and forms of government. They become the church & state if alowed to come to power. That is precisely what our founding fathers wrote into the constitution trying to avoid.

Separation of church & state is not mentioned in the constitution but a state endorsed & controlled church is. Religious freedom is to believe as we see fit. Our right to that ends when we try to impose our beliefs on others. That is the goal of communism, socialism, & Islam.
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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2013, 04:02:02 AM »
It all comes down to this, GOD has to step in and lead this nation to the right choices if we choose to let him by putting him back in our nations practice of religious choices and not have the rule of congress seperate him from our daily congressional duties.

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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2013, 04:34:21 AM »
It all comes down to this, GOD has to step in and lead this nation to the right choices if we choose to let him by putting him back in our nations practice of religious choices and not have the rule of congress seperate him from our daily congressional duties.

I agree we need God! He has given us prosperity and intelligence, its time for us to stand up on our hind legs and step up and accept Him. Everything we have has been given by Gods Blessings. Turning this over to Him is what we need to do he is there waiting!
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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2013, 04:39:09 AM »
can we endure as a nation divided ? Haven't we been doing so ?
 A crisis will bring us back as one.
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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2013, 05:00:42 AM »
It all comes down to this, GOD has to step in and lead this nation to the right choices if we choose to let him by putting him back in our nations practice of religious choices and not have the rule of congress seperate him from our daily congressional duties.

 
TRUE Sir. God is the key, prayer is the answer. Obama is evil, he is Gods punishment on an unruly, backsliding, morally bankrupt nation. Thank a libby or 2 today. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2013, 12:41:58 PM »
can we endure as a nation divided ? Haven't we been doing so ?
 A crisis will bring us back as one.

I disagree. What is the standard for the nation we are? Is it what we are now, or is it what our founders envisioned us to be? Yes we have been enduring, but the decay is clearly evident. We have fallen into the division quicksand so far we have lost our focus on who we are, what we stand for, and where we are going. Our core values and vision have been fogged over by greed, false promises, and blind belief on what our government should be. We vote for those that offer us goodies at the expense of others. We use government to save us all the while ruin us. Instead of letting people fail and learn from it, we encourage our government to be invasive rather than streamlined. The I got mine or I'm getting mine mentality, with no regard for at whose expense is dooming us. We have removed God, and the Holy Bible from the public arena, where once He, and His word was the very foundation that America was built on.   

By allowing free market corrections, we would have no one but ourselves to blame, when things go wrong or fail, but when we accept governments solutions we always have the other guys government to blame. We no longer take personal responsibility for our failures. We always look to blame others or the other guys government.
Democrats, Republicans, doesn't matter, they all promise the unconstitutional moon, to we the stupid people, and we are swallowing it. But hey, as long as we are getting our free goodies, and making the other half do what we want, who cares? This idea has led us to trillions in debt, with no end of the debt ever subsiding. There was a sound reason government rescue programs, welfare, and entitlements were not written into the Constitution.

We have secret meetings between past presidents and this president with Vincent Fox, Caldron, and Canadian officials scheming an open border policy to form the North American Union. When I was a kid we had one language, English, Now its whatever one feels it should be. As we come more divided the North American Union will become more appealing to citizens. Immigrants have been pouring into this country for years now aiding in crippling our economy, and nothing is done about it. Hey, who cares as long as the goodies keep rolling in at the expense of someone else.
We are no longer the shining beacon of freedom and liberty that bought immigrants to our shores in search of a better life. We are becoming just another slumping, socialist, divided, mess on par with Europe.
Yes we have survived so far, but has America really survived? What kind of crises will make us one? Terrorists bombing us, or flying planes into our buildings. For awhile some will fly their flags, while others will say good for us. Will a government bankruptcy unite us? The ending of welfare and government goodies is not going to be a uniting happening. To be truthful about it the real America is over, but we can still call it America, no matter the amount of tyranny, cultural decay, or if our Constitution is completely discarded.
     
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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2013, 07:40:00 AM »
I do believe the majority of our elected wish to disarm us. The only reason they don't impose more anti gun laws is because of the fear of losing their cushy well paying jobs.
We are a nation divided, especially culturally divided. Instead of insisting that other cultures assimilate to ours. We decided to celebrate diversity instead. There are not many, if any at all, samples of culturally diverse nations that survived. Look what happened to the Roman Empire not long after they accepted diverse cultures. We are going to fail.   

White Americans are supposed to assimilate with every other culture, but no immigrant is expected to celebrate the culture of white protestants, the people who built America.  That is because the Jews have worked in the social sciences for a century to pathologize any attempts by the majority people of America to celebrate their own culture.  Boas, the Frankfurt school and the New York intellectuals along with Jewish senators and congressmen participated in radical movements to overturn America's gentile society and turn it into a multicultural universalist nation.  The motive why Jews promote pathologizing gentile culture and promote mass immigration into America is a political one, to serve Jewish interests, nothing more. 

The only way to overcome the Jewish domination of our society is for whites to reestablish the white culture of the majority people, the people who built America. 
Study after study has shown how dangerous distracted driving is yet people continue to talk on their cell phones while driving. Driving in the U.S. requires your full attention. Many states and countries have made it illegal to use a cell phone while operating a motor vehicle and the federal government should follow their lead. Banning the use of cell phones while driving would have the added benefit of making the no-texting law enforceable.

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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2013, 07:52:34 AM »
 
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The motive why Jews promote pathologizing gentile culture and promote mass immigration into America  is a political one, to serve Jewish interests, nothing more. 

I disagree.
 
The motive why Democrats promote pathologizing American culture and promote mass immigration into America  is a political one, to serve Democrat interests, nothing more. MY perspective.
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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2013, 10:19:23 AM »
the Constitution guarantees freedom FROM A STATE ESTABLISHED RELIGION. Nowhere does it force the interjection of any one belief upon another.

Various religious beliefs have been forced on others by the interjection of " Under God" in the pledge of allegiance. Swearing to tell the truth "so help me God" when being sworn in court, the Presidential pledge, and virtually all pledges of of office.

Most people do not even know that they may substitute " I so affirm" instead of "so help me God".

When did the placing of a hand on the Christian Bible get interjected into court proceedings.?

All of this IS establishing a State established Religion.

Remember, most English speaking people  that established the USA were fleeing the Protestant religion established in England where the King/Queen was the head of the religion.

Most people do not know that the Continental Congress voted to use English as its official language by only ONE vote over German. Think how history might have been changed if only one more person voted for German instead of English.

The USA was not founded by English speaking Protestants. It was founded many many people escaping the oppressions of many totalitarian governments in western Europe in the east and many Chinese, Japanese and Koreans on our west coast.

We had a common language for over 150 years, English, then the liberals pushed their multicultural agenda and we got many areas of the country where you could spend your entire life and never speak English. Once it was a badge of honor for immigrants to learn English. Now immigrants want to bring their country with them, most recently the millions upon millions of hispanics invading over our southern border. It is no secret that Mexico intends to repatriate the land they lost in the Mexican-American war. The obamanation infesting the White House is doing his best to give it to them.

We need to enforce English in our schools, courts, work places and major media.  The southern border needs to be closed and illegal aliens tossed over the fence into Mexico. DHS needs to live up to its name and stop molesting airline passengers.

We may endure as a nation but not divided as we are now.
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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2013, 01:44:52 PM »
the Constitution guarantees freedom FROM A STATE ESTABLISHED RELIGION. Nowhere does it force the interjection of any one belief upon another.

Various religious beliefs have been forced on others by the interjection of " Under God" in the pledge of allegiance. Swearing to tell the truth "so help me God" when being sworn in court, the Presidential pledge, and virtually all pledges of of office.

Most people do not even know that they may substitute " I so affirm" instead of "so help me God".

When did the placing of a hand on the Christian Bible get interjected into court proceedings.?

All of this IS establishing a State established Religion.

Remember, most English speaking people  that established the USA were fleeing the Protestant religion established in England where the King/Queen was the head of the religion.

Most people do not know that the Continental Congress voted to use English as its official language by only ONE vote over German. Think how history might have been changed if only one more person voted for German instead of English.

The USA was not founded by English speaking Protestants. It was founded many many people escaping the oppressions of many totalitarian governments in western Europe in the east and many Chinese, Japanese and Koreans on our west coast.

We had a common language for over 150 years, English, then the liberals pushed their multicultural agenda and we got many areas of the country where you could spend your entire life and never speak English. Once it was a badge of honor for immigrants to learn English. Now immigrants want to bring their country with them, most recently the millions upon millions of hispanics invading over our southern border. It is no secret that Mexico intends to repatriate the land they lost in the Mexican-American war. The obamanation infesting the White House is doing his best to give it to them.

We need to enforce English in our schools, courts, work places and major media.  The southern border needs to be closed and illegal aliens tossed over the fence into Mexico. DHS needs to live up to its name and stop molesting airline passengers.

We may endure as a nation but not divided as we are now.

The U.S. was founded and built by English and German speaking protestants.  Jews were anxious to sink their fangs into America because it was a mixture of different European nationalities, not like the society of the Czar or Eastern Europe which excluded them economically.  Never again were they ever to be excluded from any society.  Therefore, Jews began promoting mass nonwhite immigration into America in the late 1800's.  On the opposing end were the restrictionists who represented the descendents of the people who founded and built America.  Jews favor a pluralistic society and pushed for massive nonwhite immigration. Hard fought congressional battles pitted the traditional people of America, the restrictionists, against Jews who worked tirelessly to open up the floodgates.  Simultaniously, Jews worked in academia to change the way whites think about themselves, from psychoanalysis to Boasian Anthropology to the Frankfurt School of social sciences.  All ideas  promoting cohesiveness among the white Gentile population was treated as pathology, but anything that emphasized diversity and pluralism, except for Jews, is pushed.  As long as Jews have Judaism, there will always be cohesiveness for Jews.  Blacks may demand equality as a form of pluralism in society, but Black nationalism isn't allowed.  The only group allowed to be for itself are Jews!  That's why we have to tolerate the Jews only state, Israel!  All pluralistic peoples must say Hosanna to an openly racist people and state, but deny their own origins.   
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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2013, 11:44:10 AM »
I don't believe that we will survive as a nation or at least not as the world power we have been. The only reason we have so far is because of Gods blessings. The direction were headed now is away from the God of the bible. Unless we repent and return to him we are doomed. God will save his own, those whose trust is in the atoning work of Jesus Christ on the cross & have believed in him alone. But as a nation, I believe we have sinned away our day of grace. Right now America is in its death throws.

Don't you guys read the bible? Do any prophetic studies? Don't you believe Gods word is true? God is our hope, not government or our own strength but the God of the bible.

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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2014, 01:47:16 PM »
the bible? which bible?  There are so many bibles that one may pick and choose a version to fit ones own beliefs. After all, the "Bible" is composed of the "old Testament" which is part of what the Jews follow. Then there is the "New Testament" which has many versions. Then there is the "Koran" which is mainly what the Muslims follow. It contains part of the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the teachings of Mohammed. Add in the teachings of Mormans and the "Christian" teachings of the north west african Christians. We then have all the apochropha. Books that at one time accepted as being part of "the Bible" but then where thrown out at the conference of Nicea.

again I ask, which "Bible"?
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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2014, 06:46:09 AM »
http://www.chuckhawks.com/can_we_endure.htm
 
 
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After having said all of the above, we now ask--no, we beg--our politicians not to drive this country any further down the path to self-destruction. Respect the rights of all Americans. Even if you do not agree with their views or beliefs, they are entitled to them under our Constitution. Respect the Constitution as written by our founding fathers. Do not attempt to change it to conform to your particular view of what our country should be, we like it as it is. Because, if you continue down the path you are following, our great nation will not survive.



 
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Chuck Hawks is worried that we aren't enduring as a nation.  That is a legitimate worry, to say the least.  But he has already accepting the premise that we are divided and perhaps that we should just accept things the way they are and just "get along." 

Yeah, that's a typical Republican for you.  The same attitude that we see in today's Republicans, that Republicans need to be "more inclusive". 

It's that attitude that resulted in the election of Barack Obama.  The frustrated Middle Class voted for Obama.  It is the Jeb Bush types in our party that need to go.  They are the ones who are bringing the party and this country down. 

What's wrong with the party of old white guys?  When we are strong and united we can do good things like protect our borders or bring home our troops.  But we need strong conservative leadership to do that, not weaklings like Chuck Hawks or today's Republican leaders.   Or keep losing elections.  At least Obama is bringing the troops home.  He has at least half delivered on what Republicans could do neither for the majority of voters.     
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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2014, 03:51:00 AM »
Sure, we can endure as a nation. I believe that in a short time period, 2 years or so, there will just be a lot less of us to run it. gypsyman
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Re: Can We Endure as a Nation Divided?
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2014, 05:07:38 AM »
the Constitution guarantees freedom FROM A STATE ESTABLISHED RELIGION. Nowhere does it force the interjection of any one belief upon another.

Various religious beliefs have been forced on others by the interjection of " Under God" in the pledge of allegiance. Swearing to tell the truth "so help me God" when being sworn in court, the Presidential pledge, and virtually all pledges of of office.

Most people do not even know that they may substitute " I so affirm" instead of "so help me God".

When did the placing of a hand on the Christian Bible get interjected into court proceedings.?

All of this IS establishing a State established Religion.
 
Good question. As far as I know Catholics had been using the "Affirm" for many years.
 
I do in the rare case that I was placed into that position and I am not an RC.




Most people do not know that the Continental Congress voted to use English as its official language by only ONE vote over German. Think how history might have been changed if only one more person voted for German instead of English.

I doubt we would have had WWI and therefore no WWII.

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