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Wise Tip's for Shotgun Slug loader's, Old is Gold !
« on: April 11, 2013, 04:10:10 AM »

" Old is Gold " the old theory still goes, accuracy from a shotgun slug is a function of two things

1. A good gas seal.

2. Centering the slug in the bore with a snug fit through out the barrel.

Achieve those two and you can shoot as well as many rifles.

Since efficiency and accuracy is our prime goal, we need all components to Rhyme with one another and work together hand in hands.

Saboted Slugs are more aerodynamic, because they are encased in a bore-filling, fall-away plastic sleeve ( the Sabot ) which allows the shotgun to shoot a much more efficient projectile.

Let's make the right choices, Brother:

1. Choose your components wisely to custom tailor your loads for efficiency!

2. We need good quality straight walled hulls that  are made strong enough to SAAMI specification's but will show pressure sign's after a certain  pressure level is reached for safety!

3. Very important to know that certain powders require A Magnum Primer like Alliant Steel for example, needs a  Fed.209A or CCI.209M!
     Stick with only top name brand primer's that are made to SAAMI specification's like Fed. 209, CCI 209, Win. 209 and Fio.616 only for regular primer's for our slug / sabot loads.
     Avoid primer's that will pierce easily under normal hunting slug loads.

4. Very important, your OP wad must form a good barrier between the powder gases and the rest of your wad column, therefore your wad under ideal situation should have longer        skirts and if your gun has longer forcing cone all the more important for sealing powder gases!


There goes your load efficiency down the drain:


5. Let's give it some solid support, add a stronger darker nitro card to transmit the driving forces evenly, when ever possible try to incorporate a .250" nitro card in between.


6. When ever possible try adding a good Felt wad of 1/4, 3/8 or 1/2 inch to help reduce the felt recoil!
I really love the darker felt fiber wads as they are made well and perform great, but are almost 2 1/2 to 3 time more costlier when compared to the cheaper felt wads from Circle Fly on the right!



7. Top your Felt wad with a stronger darker nitro card, is like giving it a solid foundation to transmit the driving forces evenly and help support the Sabot  from below to keep plasma gas blow-by  from   melting the Sabots!


8. Your Sabots with the proper bullet should be a real tight fit in your rifled barrel and a properly designed sabot should not tag along for a free ride piggy back, instead should release the bullet immediately and drop off in the first 10 to 25 yard line and not any further!

**When it comes to smooth bore then your slug in wad needs to be a snug fit enough to require 6 to 10 lbs pressure to push it through with a wooden dowel and if any more then your pressure's are sure to be high!

Watch out for your safety comes first!


9. It is very important that you seat the slug all the way home, use 40 to 60 lbs wad pressure to ensure that.

10. Try using a harder alloys for casting your slugs for use in Sabots, this way you reduce any chances of distortion at setback when fired allowing the slug to maintain its shape!

11. A fold crimp will further enhance ignition as the pressures are known to be much higher with fold crimp,  you also need a bit less powder this way!

12. A clean cut rifling will engage the Slug / Sabot far better and impart the required spin for stability in flight for a greater gyroscopic stability that are harder to knock of course, and thus produce massive centrifugal force to help release the bullet instantly from the sabot.

13. Under ideal hunting situation all you fire is one shot, in some cases may be two the most.
Does it not make sense to do all your slug testing from a cold barrel and fire two shots to see how well your gun holds the accuracy under ideal hunting situation!
When testing Slugs or Sabots, three shot group is all you need and pause between shots to let the barrel cool down a bit!

14. Most loads are more accurate when you tone them down by 2 to 3 gr below Max, and the recoil is easy to digest and won't kick like a mule, that will help you shoot better!

Have the knowledge and exposure to " push the loading envelope" to the Max!

Knowledge not shared, is knowledge lost!
Above all I really enjoyed writing this post!

Hoping it will help some of my Slug Shooter's Family members.

Best regards,
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Re: Wise Tip's for Shotgun Slug loader's, Old is Gold !
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2013, 04:15:43 AM »

Greetings, here 20 ga lover's looking for 20 ga Non discarding sabots look here:

you got three choices of slugs ranging from 450 gr on left to 440 gr in the middle to 285-290 gr RB, all '575" in diameter!
If you were to try them be sure to call Circle Fly and order a bunch of .125-28 ga nitro cards from them for the above loads!


Wondering how do I cut my wads:

Here are your choices, the same .575" bullet 20 ga will also fit a 12 with a little bit extra work like this:

and here is your final 12 ga one piece non discarding Home made Sabot that you can proudly say " I made it "



Just to get you started in 20 ga:
Try using Fiocchi hulls as they are known to show pressure signs early on,
For 440/450 gr bullet in Sabot use CCI 209M primer and start at 33 gr of A. Steel and gradually come up 1/2 gr at a time, while watching for pressure signs like Ext. marks, flattened primer or hulls sticking in the chamber etc
Or 26.5 gr of HS-6 and gradually come up 1/2 gr at a time, while watching for pressure signs
Or 33 gr of Blue Dot and gradually come up 1/2 gr at a time while watching for pressure signs
Or 24 gr of LongShot and come up gradually 1/2 gr at a time while watching for pressure signs


******* For 285 to 290 RB load you could try 25 gr of WSF for about 1500 fps,
Or 28 gr LongShot for 1600+ fps
Or 34 gr Blue Dot for around 1600 fps
Or 19 gr Bullseye for 1500+fps

 Please note the hulls in the picture above are Federal hulls that are made much stronger and do not easily show pressure signs, only at times. You will be better off choosing Fiocchi hulls as we know they are softer and will show pressure signs early on!


When we buy components from different vendors and mix and match the components, while hoping they will match:
Powder seeing is a serious problem but if you were to cut any paper 1 inch square and push it on top of the powder, you can help stop powder seepage!


Learn from my bad experience and mistakes, protect your hearing with good ear muffs that will block outside noise,
try this put your ear muffs on at home, now play very loud music and if you still do not hear your music, your ear muffs are Ok,
another test is clap your hands and you should not hear the clapping sound at all!
My mistake, I fell for nicer looking ear muffs that cost 4 times more and they were not good and failed to protect my hearing! !


Please use caution and common sense and fire them in a well made modern shotgun and not in a paper thin barrel and at your own risk.


Trust but verify for your safety comes first.


Thank you.


Best regards,
Ajay
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Re: Wise Tip's for Shotgun Slug loader's, Old is Gold !
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2013, 06:16:37 AM »
Greetings, [/size]In 20 gauge, here we used a 400 gr bullet of .480 cal. at 2020 fps:
At
[/color][/size]muzzle 2020 fps, Energ 3624 lbs
At 100 yards 1956 fps, Energy still at 3400 lbs and at
200 yards 1894 fps, Energy at 3187 lbs with a drop of    -7.6 inch ! !
This load is capable to take on any Big Game in North America with a 20 Ga. Big Bore Rifle as I call my gun with a load costing just 70 to 80 cents instead of the usual $ 3 to 3.50 each ! ! !

Hoping it helps.Best regards,AjayPrecious Video Memories

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Re: Wise Tip's for Shotgun Slug loader's, Old is Gold !
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2013, 08:33:30 AM »
Here's the good news for my " Musketeer Slug Shooter's Family member's " [/size]A Very Encouraging News from OneInchGroup from ASSA Forum:
Hi Ajay,Figured to contact you first to announce that the ASSA Forums are back in action after being knocked down by a major hacker attack that took both the forums and the main site out of action. We'd be honored if you would come back and help us get the forums humming again. Want a developer's board of your own? If you want to pull your archived posts and upload to our forums, we'd make an "Ajay's Workshop" forum for you. Not too many of us are serious about this stuff, so we'd like to get you back on our boards. From: One inch Group ! ! !I know we the Elete Musketeer Slug Shooter's here are very few and not enough to fill both hand finger's to say we want a Elete Musketeer's Forum! ! !I can proudly say I have a new home now.
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Re: Wise Tip's for Shotgun Slug loader's, Old is Gold !
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2013, 10:32:48 AM »
Greetings, any one checked the newer ASSA Forum: [/size]http://slugshooting.accountsupport.com/Forum4/index.php[/size]Hoping it helps.Best regards,Ajay[/size]PreciousVideoMemories[/color][/size][/font][/color]

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Re: Wise Tip's for Shotgun Slug loader's, Old is Gold !
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2013, 11:36:53 AM »
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Re: Wise Tip's for Shotgun Slug loader's, Old is Gold !
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2013, 04:14:58 AM »

Good morning Cpileri, as long as you have a Musketeer brother you are going to face no problems, brother but let friends know to come on in and join the Musketeer's group!!


Get the best bang for your money:
By getting a H & R Combo rifled shotgun with two barrels for under $400



I really miss having the H & R, perhaps I'll buy that too, soon.
Another great American company catering to us Elite Musketeer's family of slug shooter's, we need more companies like them, lets help keep them in business for us,


we need them ! ! !


Hoping it helps my fellow Musketeer Slug Shooter!!


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Ajay
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Re: Wise Tip's for Shotgun Slug loader's, Old is Gold !
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2014, 12:08:41 AM »
Greetings, the good news is I am overseeing the production of our Super Blazing Sabots here in W. Germany and will start shipping free samples in a kit form with bullets to some of you who had registered with me in the past,I had made a promise to my Elite Slug Shooter's Family at CastBoolits to ship free samples, I'm glad I will be able to keep my promise!!
Be on the look out, Brother!

A famous sentence written on a Japanese bus stop.... "only bus will stop here not your time... So keep walking towards your goal and don't give up hope ! ! !

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Re: Wise Tip's for Shotgun Slug loader's, Old is Gold !
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2014, 12:39:54 AM »

Greetings, bad weather here is holding my last final range test, wondering if I should start shipping the Super Blazing Sabots Deer Buster .45 cal kits as pictured before final testing!!!






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Re: Wise Tip's for Shotgun Slug loader's, Old is Gold !
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2014, 02:24:04 AM »

Greetings, Hog Buster Super Blazing Sabots using .48 cal bullets of 340 gr too in line soon to be released.





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We all, who take slug loading seriously are a dedicated family, who have taken it upon ourselves to perfect our tech. We experiment to find better techniques and share our knowledge.
Location: New Jersey. USA / Frankfort, W.Germany / London, UK