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35cal Rechamber Ideas
« on: December 01, 2012, 12:40:25 PM »
I have a spare 22" 357 Max barrel and I'm looking for suggestions on what I could rechamber it to. I already have a .356 barrel and I don't like to do extensive wildcatting that requires multiple dies to form brass or special order dies. I just want to keep it simple and easy. Any ideas? Oh yeah, I prefer rims. ;)

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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2012, 12:56:15 PM »
How about belted? 350 Rem Mag?
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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2012, 01:01:21 PM »
Quote from: Brian P. on December 01, 2012, 12:56:15 PM
How about belted? 350 Rem Mag?

Can't do that much pressure on a Handi rifle.

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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2012, 01:02:57 PM »
Ah, how about a 356 AI?
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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2012, 01:12:26 PM »
Quote from: Brian P. on December 01, 2012, 01:02:57 PM
Ah, how about a 356 AI?

Tell me more. Do you have load data, etc?

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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2012, 01:16:15 PM »
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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2012, 01:22:45 PM »
Sorry I sure do not. The Ackley Improved cases have a reputation of getting an extra 100-150fps and less case stretching but I can't seem to find data on the 356.  Otherwise someone might offer dies to do a 35 based on the 375Win. that would be nifty.
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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2012, 01:28:00 PM »
Quote from: Brian P. on December 01, 2012, 01:22:45 PM
Sorry I sure do not. The Ackley Improved cases have a reputation of getting an extra 100-150fps and less case stretching but I can't seem to find data on the 356.  Otherwise someone might offer dies to do a 35 based on the 375Win. that would be nifty.

I think the AI version is too close to the original 356 to make much difference to me. I'll look around too see if I can find anything on the 375 Win version.

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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2012, 01:33:09 PM »
I just found the 350 GNR.

This next cartridge is our 350 GNR, a cartridge that has been around for over 15 years. This one is the 405 case necked down to 35 caliber. It will beat the 35 Whelen and is great for any animal on this continent. Excellent big game cartridge. Dies and data are available.

I just wonder how much the brass and dies are.

Update: looks like dies are $100 unless on sale for $85. That counts that one out!

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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2012, 01:39:52 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.356_Winchester
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.358_Winchester


i have an extra 357 max too


i think  i will just scope it different
and leave it as is
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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2012, 01:49:40 PM »
Quote from: 45-70.gov on December 01, 2012, 01:39:52 PM
i think  i will just scope it different and leave it as is

That thought crossed my mind as well. It shoots extremely well with a 240gr subsonic lead load. But what fun would it be to have a barrel dedicated for just one load. The newer barrel might shoot them just as well.

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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2012, 01:51:10 PM »
I just finished my first deer season hunting with the Maxi, what a wonderful round.  I'm going to build another one with a peep sight so I'll have a scoped stand gun and a short range open sight rifle for when I hunt deep in the woods.

There has been a lot of chatter about the 358 Hoosier wildcat, but I'm not sure you can rechamber a Maxi.
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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2012, 01:57:54 PM »
I have already looked at the Hoosier and given it's 1.8" case length it doesn't offer anything to me over the 356 Win. I have my IN DNR bases covered with another Maxi, 45LC, 44Mag and a short 45-70.

I'm looking at the old 35 Winchester right now. ;)

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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2012, 02:03:30 PM »
I like the idea of the 35 Winchester. It's rimmed, in the same class as a Whelen and would clean out a Maxi chamber. Anyone know anything about the oldie?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.35_Winchester

http://stevespages.com/jpg/cd35winchester.jpg

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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2012, 02:03:41 PM »
http://kwk.us/cases.html
But the 405 has a higher case capacity than the 350 Rem mag which has too much pressure for the Handi's.  This reminds me of the 38 spcl vs 357 mag thing where the new high pressure mag cartridge was made just long enough so as to not chamber in the old, weaker, 38spcl guns.  While, say a SP101 or K-frame chambered in 38 can be loaded way hotter than factory and still be withing the pressures of the 357 of which the guns are rated for. 
Does the 350gnr run at old 405 pressures?
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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2012, 02:10:42 PM »
Brian,
  I'm sure Tim will be along sometime soon to explain how certain cartridge pressures are compared. All I know is that there's a belt on the bottom of that case for a reason and it's not just for headspacing. ;)

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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2012, 02:28:11 PM »
35 winchester dies and brass aren't cheap! It might be best for me to stick to the 35calx65R rechamber. Thata way I can just use the Whelen dies I already have.  ???

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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2012, 02:40:07 PM »
"EXTRA" .357 Max? :o
 
If either of you take a notion to go the route of another bore size to scratch this particular itch, please PM me so that I can help you fund it.  My personal/current/only 35 caliber itch is a .357 mag or Max.  Until I get that far, I have no other .35 caliber dreams.
 
If I were in your shoes though, I would likely be looking at the 35-30.  30-30 brass isn't tough to find and it has a rim.  If I were doing something without a rim, I have Mauser actions set aside for that kind of thing. 
 
I'm not saying this is the best way to go or making any argument for practicality over any other suggestion.  It's just one of those wildcats that has always appealed to me.
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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2012, 02:48:33 PM »
Quote from: Jeff H on December 01, 2012, 02:40:07 PM
"EXTRA" .357 Max? :o
 

Jeff,
  Between my mother and I, we have 3 Maxis. She may forfeit hers as soon as she shoots a shortened 45-70 next year at a deer. ;) I have considered the 35 Krag and the 35-30, but neither offer me anything that my .356 doesn't do already. I need something in the Whelen class now that I have all the other bases covered. ;)

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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2012, 04:04:50 PM »
How about necking up that old Russian  7.62x54R to 35 cal.?

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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2012, 04:19:15 PM »
Quote from: -Dinny on December 01, 2012, 02:48:33 PM
.....I need something in the Whelen class now that I have all the other bases covered. ;)

Thanks, Dinny

Ah-ha! 
 
So, why not get a Whelen then?   I must have missed something.
 
It's as grand an old round as any.  Any claiming to "beat it" are offering up quite a compliment.
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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2012, 04:24:24 PM »
35-303...is big in australia


i think  my other handi will get a reddot


38s for the armadillos
max for pig hunting......


red dots are great after the sun goes down
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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2012, 04:40:44 PM »
For then I thought it was Cognac and Cubans..........
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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2012, 05:06:42 PM »
Quote from: 45-70.gov on December 01, 2012, 04:24:24 PM
35-303...is big in australia


how about a 35-303Epps!   should match the 9.3x62 in power.  and little to no brass stretching
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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2012, 06:13:39 PM »
Always ready to learn something :) But a 350Rem can be loaded to whatever an is 53,000cup whereas the whelen is 52,000cup.  I beleive they just used the belted case to keep production costs down and still have capacity while using a short action.  Ah, someday I'll have a NIB Rem 673  8)
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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2012, 10:31:33 PM »
How about a 9X57R?
neck up 8X57jrs brass using 9x57 die and jrs shellholder
and load with 9x57 loaddata


I use Norma 202 behind a 250gr Hornady RN for ca 2000fps
in a 9X57

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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2012, 04:24:05 AM »
.357 Herrett? I have one, it is a fun little round. 150-200 fps faster than the Maxi. Brass is easy to make and you can use the same bullets from your Maxi in it. :)
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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2012, 05:58:50 AM »
Find someone that will do a .35-.460. I'll do one with you.  ;D
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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2012, 06:09:44 AM »
Quote from: dave29 on December 02, 2012, 05:58:50 AM
Find someone that will do a .35-.460. I'll do one with you.  ;D

Dave,
  Although both that and the 357 Herrett are good choices, I want to stay in the Whelen class. I'm leaning real heavy towards the 35calx65R that G66 did. I already have a line on some brass. ;)

Besides that will leave both of us with more change for Fourth Street Live. ;D

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Re: 35cal Rechamber Ideas
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2012, 06:39:33 AM »
Dinny
I see you have looked at and rejected the 35-30/30. It's on my short list because it is easy, simple and cheap and of course it is rimmed. G66
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