Maybe dumb newbie question

[edhurl]

Why is it that you can get a barrel from the factory fitted to your receiver for $96 plus shipping and resale of used barrels ive seen is higher cost and then you to handfit yourself? Please enlighten me as i would think it would be opposite.

Thanks,
Ed

[quickdtoo]

$96, plus fitting and shipping both ways, plus tax =  about $160 when all is said and done. 

Tim

[Doc Fillem]

I've wondered that too. I've been watching them on Ebay, people are paying crazy prices for a used barrel that may not even fit your receiver. Better off sending yours in and having a barrel factory fitted, plus get a trigger job while it's there.
A lot of folks don't know about the factory barrel program I guess.

[ousooners1baby]

I think demand is most likely reason.  And with demand the prices will go up.  Most people ask too much, seems to me.  But, if it is a discontinued item, that should be something that has more value than a easily available item.  I imagine most people think that the barrel "they" buy will fit just perfectly.  Plus, some may feel as they have accomplished something by not going trough the company to get theirs.

[Dinny]

It seems like the prices are rising because people are asking more for them and, even worse, people are paying those higher prices. Just look at 44 Mag Talo barrels. Some would think they're coated in "gold". Eventually they will sell though.

Don't take my word for it, just wait till Spanky comes along and shares his thoughts.

Thanks, Dinny

[45-70.gov]

some people just don't know better


others are wanting some thing discontunued


i  won't take $200 for  my 45 colt/454 barrel


guess some don't want to send off their gun


my choice is to just buy the whole gun  or sell the whole gun

[knight0334]

Its just like going to a 7/11, Wawa, Sheetz, or Circle-K for a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk instead of the grocery store.  ...you pay more for convenience.

Some folks don't want the hassle of shipping their receiver/gun to the factory.  Or having to be home to sign-off on delivery(most carriers require adult signature for gun shipments).

With secondhand barrels - no one has to be home, UPS/Fedex can just leave it at your door, no time lost from work.

[petemi]

I have a frame in Illion now for a .223 Superlight Barrel.  I do both, fit them myself and have them done at H&R.  It just depends on what is available at the factory and what I find for sale elsewhere.  At the the moment, I have five spare frames.  Used barrels seem to fit well on one of them without modification.  It's very simple......even I can do it.  Yes, it is an investment keeping spares, but I feel it is well worth it.

Pete

[jkpq45]

I had the same question until I had my SB-2 receiver in hand, ready to ship to H&R... then realized it would take an additional 30-50% of their listed barrel cost to fit a barrel.  Lame.

So, I buy secondhand barrels at fair prices and fit them myself (so far.)

[edhurl]

I had the same question until I had my SB-2 receiver in hand, ready to ship to H&R... then realized it would take an additional 30-50% of their listed barrel cost to fit a barrel.  Lame.

So, I buy secondhand barrels at fair prices and fit them myself (so far.)

They charge to fit?

[45-70.gov]

i think there are some frames they won't do...but people do them  their self


correct me if  i am wrong some one

[quickdtoo]

They charge to fit?

Yup, $25 per barrel plus tax and return shipping as well as shipping your frame and stock to them which adds to the cost, as I stated earlier, a factory fitted accessory barrel will cost about $160 in the end, read the order form.

Tim

http://www.hr1871.com/store/HR_Barrel_Order_Form-2.pdf

[edhurl]

Glad i asked this question, looks like ill be looking for used barrels in the future. Thanks for the info guys

[Spanky]

Glad i asked this question, looks like ill be looking for used barrels in the future. Thanks for the info guys

 
It's hard to find a used barrel at a reasonable price. It seems as though the seller feels they are entitled to the fitting fees and shipping fees and any taxes that the factory charges when you get an accessory barrel. Keep in mind... you won't get any professional fitting, you're not paying any shipping charges to or from the factory and the seller isn't entitled to collect any tax... but they'll want that money anyway. It's a gamble as to whether or not a used barrel will fit after you get it. If it does you're lucky... if it doesn't and you don't know how to fit it you'll be paying even more for a professional to fit it for you.   Still keep in mind... the seller priced the barrel according to what the factory charges simply because he felt he was somehow entitled to that money... though in reality he wasn't. After all is the seller going to fit his used barrel to your frame? Of course not. Now there's always the argument that it'll cost $160 to get the barrel from the factory so the seller should get $160. Well no he shouldn't... he isn't going to fit it for you, he can't legally collect tax from you and you shouldn't have to pay both ways shipping like you do for the factory. So if anyone can tell me why a private seller is entitled to the same fees that the factory charges I'd love to hear it. 
Don't give me any of the "whatever the market will bear" nonsense either. Give me a real reason why.
 
 
 
Spanky

[jlj1948]

It's America you can ask what you want.

[Spanky]

It's America you can ask what you want.

And here's the typical response I get.   Not a real answer mind you... just the typical response.
 
 
 
Spanky

[YRUpunting?]

It's America you can ask what you want.

And here's the typical response I get.   Not a real answer mind you... just the typical response.
 
 
 
Spanky

Spanky, I'm curious.  Who in your world should set the price of an item for sale.  The owner of the item or someone else?

[thejanitor]

Note to original poster:  If you buy a second hand barrel (which I have bought several) ASK questions to the seller. View the feedback. find out if the barrel has had ANY modifications you may spend 115.00 on a shipped barrel that someone else tried to fit and botched it.... then you may be wishing you spent 160.00.  Most sellers it seems here have been very good and honest, all I have bought from are.  BUT if you dont ask and you get what the ad said it was then its your fault for not asking. So if you buy here in the classifieds or anywhere else look at a bunch of old posts and see what people ask and then find out why they asked and once you understand it then buy the barrel you want. I wouldn't want you to jump on the first one you see and find out you should have asked a question or two.  But at the same time if you see a barrel you want dont dink around too long because Some go in a couple minutes if they are priced right.  If the ad doesnt say what you need to hear ask the seller a question through a PM or on the thread but the others viewing it may see the answer before you and may post an I'LL TAKE IT then its all over.  Sorry for rambling but be aware of what you are buying and all will be well.   thejanitor

[ousooners1baby]

I agree with Spank!  Just looks like there is some price gouging going on.  I just want to see a fair price for any item.  I have saw where some full guns are priced over $550 for a handi.  Are you serious?  If you are dumb enuff to pay a new price for an unfitted gun then you are part of the problem.  Now, like I said previous, if it is a discontinued item then I can see the markup.

[Spanky]

It's America you can ask what you want.

And here's the typical response I get.   Not a real answer mind you... just the typical response.
 
 
 
Spanky

Spanky, I'm curious.  Who in your world should set the price of an item for sale.  The owner of the item or someone else?

 
The owner of the item of course. It would be nice if prices were set according to worth versus what the market will bear. A barrel costs $160 from the factory because you pay for shipping, tax and professional fitting.
 
If I buy a second hand barrel from you are you going to offer me professional fitting? Would you collect sales tax from me? Would you charge me shipping both ways? No... because you won't offer or can't legally collect these things.
 
With that in mind would you say it's fair for a private seller to command the same price as the factory?
 
If it is (in your world) fair for the individual to ask the same price then please enlighten me as to why? I'll go ahead and say it for you... and I quote.... "because it's mine and that's how much I want for it"   Sound about right??  I thought so.
 
 
 
Spanky
 
 
 
 

[YRUpunting?]

It's America you can ask what you want.

And here's the typical response I get.   Not a real answer mind you... just the typical response.
 
 
 
Spanky

Spanky, I'm curious.  Who in your world should set the price of an item for sale.  The owner of the item or someone else?

 
The owner of the item of course. It would be nice if prices were set according to worth versus what the market will bear. A barrel costs $160 from the factory because you pay for shipping, tax and professional fitting.
 
If I buy a second hand barrel from you are you going to offer me professional fitting? Would you collect sales tax from me? Would you charge me shipping both ways? No... because you won't offer or can't legally collect these things.
 
With that in mind would you say it's fair for a private seller to command the same price as the factory?
 
If it is (in your world) fair for the individual to ask the same price then please enlighten me as to why? I'll go ahead and say it for you... and I quote.... "because it's mine and that's how much I want for it"   Sound about right??  I thought so.
 
 
 
Spanky

Spanky we are adults, if you don't like the price don't buy it.  This applies to this forum or any store or website.  No one owes you, and you don't deserve anything.

[Dinny]

Spanky we are adults, if you don't like the price don't buy it.  This applies to this forum or any store or website.  No one owes you, and you don't deserve anything.

I understand your point, but listen to mine. What have we lowered ourselves to these days? One asks, "How much do you want for it?" and the next guy replies, "How much do you have?" What ever happened to a value? Whatever happened to losing money on anything used due to depreciation? These barrels we speak of are used, not new and therefore should never fetch new prices, never. I see only one expection to this rule and that applies to items that are truly "rare as a hens tooth", discontinued or so old that original pricing is no longer valid due to inflation.

Just look at every WTS ad I have ever listed. Have I priced used items at new prices? No! Why would I? Everything I own is used.

Thanks, Dinny

[cwlongshot]

Morning guys and WELCOME Edhurl!

NO DUMB questions here!!!

Not gonna release my ''dawg'' into this ''fight'' and I am not quite as cynical as my friend Spanky.     (I am NOT addressing EBay at ALL!) BUT I would like to add a few comments.

When you buy a used barrel, generally, you fit yourself... What you also get is Peace of mind and that's worth allot to me.

NO sending your receiver away for a unknown time.
NO wondering if its being handled as you would
NO worrying about damage happening in shipping
NO wondering if it might get lost or stolen
NO return shipping
Best of all...  NO ADDITIONAL WAITING! Most of us (SELF DEFINEITLY INCLUDED) are impatient! I have said it many many times.. I have more $ than patience and I think most of us are the same in this regard. Weather we choose to admit it or not.

First off, fitting is EASY and there are guys on here round the clock (FAQ's) All are willing and most are able to offer assistance if needed... AT NO COST. (I am always willing to help all I can. PM me!)

I have sold many barrels here. I try to price accordingly with going prices and I include shipping that can run 25$ on heaver barrels with tracking and insurance. I always do tracking and insurance on barrels.

So call it right, wrong what it IS is what it is...     

CW

[45-70.gov]

It's America you can ask what you want.

And here's the typical response I get.   Not a real answer mind you... just the typical response.
 
 
 
Spanky

Spanky, I'm curious.  Who in your world should set the price of an item for sale.  The owner of the item or someone else?

 
The owner of the item of course. It would be nice if prices were set according to worth versus what the market will bear. A barrel costs $160 from the factory because you pay for shipping, tax and professional fitting.
 
If I buy a second hand barrel from you are you going to offer me professional fitting? Would you collect sales tax from me? Would you charge me shipping both ways? No... because you won't offer or can't legally collect these things.
 
With that in mind would you say it's fair for a private seller to command the same price as the factory?
 
If it is (in your world) fair for the individual to ask the same price then please enlighten me as to why? I'll go ahead and say it for you... and I quote.... "because it's mine and that's how much I want for it"   Sound about right??  I thought so.
 
 
 
Spanky

what  is more fair


 BOB SAYS  ...''NO  IT IS NOT FOR SALE AT ANY PRICE''


or


JOHN SAYS.......''yes you can have it for $160  or  i will just keep it''


do  you resent JOHN  for  offering you a choice
why do you resent JOHN but not BOB?


my choice is to just buy the whole gun
not that much money in the whole sceme of things
unless you are back packing or biking with multiple calibers  ...i see no advantage to multiple barrels

[Tractorsaw1]

I have been off the classifieds for a couple of years, but what i see is less used available & a lot of what i see I think to myself, for not much more I could have new & not have to fit it.

[theratdog]

well when i see the prices i think the dollor is only worth  25 cents.thats why i trade stuff and i don't like paying tax on a gun i find them  used new in box. look at winchester's made by the japs over a thousand bucks you can buy them cheaper at the gun show's.also shipping has become a joke

[twoshooter]

Why do you think you "deserve" a certain price, coming from either side?

To quote Will Muny in the Unforgiven: Little Bills says , I retired, I am building a house, I don;t deserve to die like this!  Will says " Deserve don;t have a damned thing to do with it".

I can glance at an item, here or anywhere else, and tell in a second what it is worth to me. I have been to many auctions, and have come home empty handed from most, because most people have more money than me, and they wanted whatever it was more than I did. That's life. When I start to get ticked off too much about it I stop and think of the logical end point. If I force someone with more than I to drop the price just because I feel it is unfair, then someone with even less than me can force me to do the same. That works for all but life sustaining essentials.

I felt bad because I had no shoes, until I met a man that had no feet.  Then I thought, I wonder if he has any shoes...... he won't be needing 'em!  Maybe I can get his..........

[8uck5nort]

Here is my 2 cents.
Any item is worth what someone will pay for it as long as the item is represented accurately. Some calibers fetch more, while others fetch less. Sometimes buyers pay more than an item is really worth due to other unrelated factors.
As for the buyer: Caveat Emptor! I am not necessarily meaning that a seller is trying to rip you off, but in the sense that a used barrel is just that, a used barrel with no warranty or guarantees.
In my humble opinion I would rather send it in to the factory to have a new warrantied and guarranteed barrel fit. If there is something wrong then I have a position to do something about it. I can either fix it myself or if unfixable then send it back til they get it right. That to me is worth the hassle and extra 35-45 bucks over what you typically pay for a used one. Now if I find a whole rifle for almost what it cost to have one fit, and you can if you look hard enough, then in my opinion you are better off.

[tobster]

The barrel classifieds has no floor and no ceiling. And no price police. Ask as little or as much as you want. As with the rest of the world, the seller would like to get a little more and the buyer would like to pay a little less. What's the big deal. I know some sellers on this forum will refund your purchase price if the barrel you have just bought doesn't fit your receiver the way you would like. Where else does that happen? I'm guessing a lot of people don't realize the factory will fit new barrels and they might be the buyers responsible for the high prices on E-bay.

[jlj1948]

Supply and demand. If you think something is too high don't hit the "buy it now button"
Thank God we live in America and have this freedom