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35 Whelen FTF again Remington core lok 200 GR
« on: February 18, 2012, 02:36:32 AM »
Well,
Season over finally here in South MS and my H&R 35 whelen started misfiring.  i initially, before season, shot several boxes of Remington core lok 250 200 gr and no FTF good accuracy 1 inch or so group of three.  i bought a box of hornady because they were cheaper just wanting to shoot more and i could not get them to group less than 4 - 5 inches or so, no FTF i think i should have written this all down, anyway....  I bought another box of Remington corlok 200 gr and started to have FTF's.  out of this last box and i have tried to shoot 10 times and have had 4 FTFs.

one of the shells a friend with the CVA 35 whelen tried to shoot it and it would not fire in it. two strikes.

i killed two doe this year (one dropped, one ran 20 yds) with 35 whelen and on both i had a misfire.  I reloaded and got both, but...

Is the FTF H&R?  Is the FTF Remington??  nice little gun, easy to carry and maneuver in a shooting house on climber/ladder stand, but, with the FTF's, ....  So far 2 guys in our club have the CVA with no FTFs.  I'm planning to send back  to H&R this week. 

My understanding on this particular gun it was built.  shipped to dealer.  A recall was issued relating to FTF and these were sent back to H&R.  Now i have it.  No FTFs for a few boxes of shells, then more FTFs.
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Re: 35 Whelen FTF again Remington core lok 200 GR
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2012, 02:46:31 AM »
Welcome! Sorry to read of the problems!

FTF with this caliber is not uncommon. I find many times it's with new Rem brass or Remington ammo. Remington has soft brass when new. You mention shooting diff brand with no FTF but poor accuracy. Do you have any left to try?

Do you reload? Many times reloading can cure this.

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Re: 35 Whelen FTF again Remington core lok 200 GR
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2012, 07:34:46 AM »
I see many people at the range with FTF issues with all calibers.  The one thing in common is Remington Factory Ammo.  Now I personally shoot Remington factory ammo in my .35s and .350s with no FTFs.  But I do notice the primer indentation is very shallow in them, six different guns.  Same guns with my hand loads using CCI or Winchester primers the primer indentation is much deeper.

My opinion:  Remington Factory Ammo uses hard primers.  Base this on what I see at the range, and my own experience.  I do not carry factory ammo when I am out hunting during Bear Season (April to October when Bears are out of hibernation).  I can not afford to have a FTF.
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Re: 35 Whelen FTF again Remington core lok 200 GR
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2012, 10:25:30 AM »
 
Why Not just put a rim on it? I did this to the whelen, 30/06,308,7mm/08. It flat works! G66
Actually,Larry did the work and a fine job too.
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Re: 35 Whelen FTF again Remington core lok 200 GR
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2012, 11:48:43 AM »
Quote from: gunther66 on February 18, 2012, 10:25:30 AM

Why Not just put a rim on it? I did this to the whelen, 30/06,308,7mm/08. It flat works! G66
Actually,Larry did the work and a fine job too.


Hey Gunther, how did Larry put a rim on these???  :o  Would LOVE to see pics.... I have been avoiding buying a Whelen Specifically because it is not rimmed. If you got a way, I would be stoked to hear about it!! Thanks!  ;D
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Re: 35 Whelen FTF again Remington core lok 200 GR
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2012, 12:35:18 PM »
Ive had the same issue with the whelen. I initially thought it was from remington factory ammo because Ive had ftf in multiple guns and calibers from remington cl. I bought two boxes of federal ammo and went like 25 shots without a ftf then four in a row. I tried handloads with winchester and cci primers and federal nickle plated brass and rem. brass and still had about a 20% ftf rate. Gun is currently at warranty depot.
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Re: 35 Whelen FTF again Remington core lok 200 GR
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2012, 02:13:37 PM »
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I am not a machinest.Maybe Larry can chime in and tell us exactly how he does it. I do know it works. A FTF rifle is a club.
Being a real fan of rimmed ammo in single shot rifles,I shoot rimmed in hornet thru 45 cal. If I can find a donor case I would like to do the 223 also. Or maybe a 22-30/30. The '06 and Whelen cases are made from 7x65R brass. The 7mm08R,  307 & 356 Win use 307 cases and 356 cases. Some take some trimming after forming but the Whelen does not require much if any.
I hope this helps. G66
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Re: 35 Whelen FTF again Remington core lok 200 GR
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2012, 03:45:39 PM »
As big a fan as I am of rimmed cases in handi's I cannot in good consience tell you it is required to cure a FTF condition... Yes it is a option, but NOT REQUIRED!  MANY people have this caliber and have zero problems!
 
As I have written many times there are a number of possible causes and fixes. As mentioned many come from Remington ammo. Its well known Remington has soft virgin brass, it toughens up after a couple firings. Hard primers also make alot of sence. Pin protrusion, transfer bar and head space are the top contenders in this problem.
 
I would PM Brian56 and see what he has to tell you.
 
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Re: 35 Whelen FTF again Remington core lok 200 GR
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2012, 02:56:52 AM »
thanks for the reply's.  so i got a Lee anniversary reloading kit for Christmas.  i'm going to buy the 35 whelen dies.  what is the best value (reliability, price) primers to use with my H&R 35 whelen?

I shoot Remington ammo all the time and would hate to blame it on Remington...  i'm going to get it to H&R this week, so i'll be ready to shoot in the near term!

the H&R is a good little gun for the value.  also, we use it here down south for the whole deer hunting season.  i want this to be my only gun to carry, but, i got to get the FTF issue resolved.
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Re: 35 Whelen FTF again Remington core lok 200 GR
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2012, 04:06:44 AM »
Quote from: fbates on February 20, 2012, 02:56:52 AM
thanks for the reply's.  so i got a Lee anniversary reloading kit for Christmas.  i'm going to buy the 35 whelen dies.  what is the best value (reliability, price) primers to use with my H&R 35 whelen?

I shoot Remington ammo all the time and would hate to blame it on Remington...  i'm going to get it to H&R this week, so i'll be ready to shoot in the near term!

the H&R is a good little gun for the value.  also, we use it here down south for the whole deer hunting season.  i want this to be my only gun to carry, but, i got to get the FTF issue resolved.

If you read thru the FAQ's you will find a number of things you can check yourself. But as you said this gun had the problem and was repaired once already.  Kinda leads me to suspect inturnal parts IE trigger/disconnecter.
BUT I would look at pin protrusion. Make a conscious effore at fully and completely pulling the trigger to the rear. (NOT snatching at it) Also how do the bullets look sitting in the chamber? They need to be flush or ever so slightly below flush. I am talking a thousands or two MAX below flush.

The firing pins stroke can be lengthened a bit by grinding the face of the hammer where it contacts the frame.

Many of these problems come simply from the way the handis are built. Quality control is only OK but final I election is either non existant or woefully inadaquite.

In any event, much good reading in the FAQ's. Maybe you will find and fix problems yourself!

If questions arise post up, if something obscure PM one of the guys you think will know.

Most all (my self included) will be happy to try and help,
CW
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