Author Topic: 22 mag = something amiss -- making progress -- UPDATE: I fixed it, I think !! (Read 1749 times)

stimpylu32 · « **on:** June 21, 2008, 12:44:44 PM »

Took the new 22 mag Sportster to Ok for a P-dog shoot and something has went very wrong , could not keep 3 rounds in a 6" target at 10'

The rifle was set up with a new BSA Sweet 22 2x7 scope and zeroed @75 yards before I left home , was packed in a hard case for the trip and not banged around . something is very wrong , at first I thought it may have been the ammo that I took to Hooker but once I got home I tried it with the same box of shells that I had used to zero with and still have the same problem .

Checked the mount and rings , both were fine , changed out the scope to a proven Bushnell 3x9 and still no help

Anyone have any ideas ? this has me con-fuzzled .

stimpy

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2008, 12:57:01 PM »

Did you happen to put it on the wrong frame?? How's the barrel fit without the forend on?

Tim

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 21, 2008, 01:21:19 PM »

Factory gun , I even checked to see if it was lead fouled for some reason and still no luck , this one has me baffled .

stimpy

Tencubed · « **Reply #3 on:** June 21, 2008, 01:44:59 PM »

That sounds like a rifle with a badly leaded bore. Course with the 22 Mag that won't be the case but it makes me wonder if, during travel, something got in the bore and was smeared into the rifling by the first round. Bit of plastic from the hard case or maybe, shudder, a little chunk of rock? May have to use a bore scope to find it if that is the case.

I know you will have checked the crown for damage and have undoubtedly run a patch thru the bore, probably several times, so whatever it is it's not going to be that obvious.

Let us know what you find because that is really wierd.

You mentioned you had a "Sweet 22" scope on that rifle. I just bought two of those to put on 22 Mag and 22 LR barrels I had fitted to my 17 HMR frame. I liked the adjustable objective lens feature of this scope way more than I needed the extra power of the 3 X 9 version. How do you like the scope? It's going to be awhile before I get a chance to get to the range, busted some ribs loose from my sternum by being really stupid and have to do some healing up. Just when the weather gets a bit better too.

The old saying of "There's no fool like an old fool" sure is a fact.

Mike

Tencubed · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2008, 01:48:25 PM »

Stimpy:

Your second post showed up while I was typing. Beats the heck out of me. Maybe has something to do with a glitch in the earths rotation.

Mike

quickdtoo · « **Reply #5 on:** June 21, 2008, 02:01:36 PM »

Stimpy, I was thinking maybe a burr on the pivot that wore off, did you remove the forend to see if the barrel is lose without it? Wouldn't be the first. $:-\$

Tim

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 21, 2008, 02:10:23 PM »

Checked lock up with forarm off and its good , checked the crown for a burr and found nothing , did find one loose spot in the bore with a rod and patch , that was about 1/2 way down the barrel for about 3/4" and then it tightened back up .

I'm going to try it on one of my other RF frames to see if that makes any diffrence , if not this may get a rebore job to clean up the barrel , maybe a .25 cal something .

stimpy

MSP Ret · « **Reply #7 on:** June 21, 2008, 02:47:50 PM »

new factory gun? send it back to H&R and quickly to get it repaired or the barrel replaced while they are still in Gardner....good luck buddy....<><....

(my guess was the crown got hit but you have checked that)

burntmuch · « **Reply #8 on:** June 21, 2008, 02:54:37 PM »

Now stimpy you sure you re not making this up so you have an exscuse to rebore it

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 21, 2008, 04:37:02 PM »

BM

Have you ever known me to need a reason other than ( I want to ) , to do a re-chamber or re-bore , this one has me baffled , I'm going to tare this one clear down and reassemble it as it was the day I got it .

Andy

The second thing that crossed my mind after the scope was the crown but it looks real good , and lock-up seems to be normal .

stimpy

nrb · « **Reply #10 on:** June 27, 2008, 01:34:05 AM »

My bet is that the scope and/or scope mounts are your problem. I would mount a good scope and test again.

best, nrb

shaner · « **Reply #11 on:** June 28, 2008, 04:40:55 PM »

maybe the scope went bad? ive had them where the zero moves between shots?

MSP Ret · « **Reply #12 on:** June 29, 2008, 02:58:38 PM »

Hi Stimpy, what have you determined on the .22 Mag? Inquiring minds want to know.

Rereading the thread, especially this part, "could not keep 3 rounds in a 6" target at 10'." has made me realize it would have taken quite a burr on the muzzle or crown to do that. It reminded me of the time I took out a .22 Mag thinking it was a .17 HMR. The .17 HMR ammo fit and fired well but I could not hit anything, not even the target backer at 10 yards....<><....

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 29, 2008, 04:20:26 PM »

Andy

The only thing that I have got done was to reinstall the iron sights that came on the barrel , just too many irons in the fire , might try to sneek out tomorow afternoon and try it that way .

stimpy

torpedoman · « **Reply #14 on:** June 29, 2008, 06:04:52 PM »

he explained the whole problem in his original post "bsa sweet 22 scope"I have had some good bsa's and some real problem child's.

Tencubed · « **Reply #15 on:** June 29, 2008, 06:47:39 PM »

I agree about the BSA scopes but in that first post he also mentions putting a known good scope on the rifle with no improvement.

Going to be interesting to see what he finds.

Mike

torpedoman · « **Reply #16 on:** June 30, 2008, 01:34:24 PM »

to be that far off at 10ft something has to be loose enough to rattle or barrel is bent but there again to be that far out that close it would be very noticable.

woodchukhntr · « **Reply #17 on:** July 01, 2008, 02:52:48 AM »

There might be a loose nut behind the trigger, it happen with me some times.

All seriousness aside, I would expect a loose scope mount or rings. If that's not it, send it back to the factory. Even a pocket pistol should be able to do better than that.

Tencubed · « **Reply #18 on:** July 01, 2008, 07:56:46 AM »

Stimpy:

In the centerfire forum there is a thread about a BC that a fellow can't get to shoot a decent group. Problem of flinching came up.

Could it be that 22 MAGNUM is just too much gun?

Shame on me!

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 01, 2008, 12:59:51 PM »

Ten

I have days that I wished it was that simple

.

Did shoot it with the iron sights and at 50 yards it seams to be doing ok , Now to start adding things back to it , I'll start by fitting the scope base to the barrel with some em-ree cloth and re-locktite everything . Then I'll install a new set of rings along with a new Bushnell 3x9 .

We shall see how that does .

stimpy

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 06, 2008, 11:54:07 AM »

After doing a complete rebuild on the 22 mag Sportster I think all is well again , spent about 3 hours at the range with it and the 243 SL .

What I found were a number of things that had gone wrong , most were scope and ammo related , as for the optic's , the bullet comp. turret was just not even close as far as scale goes ( its in the trash now ) as little as one click would take the bullet from under to over a 8 1/2"x11" target at 25 yards .

That solved the up / down problem , and the ammo was to blame for the shotgun patterns , dug through some of my old stockpile and found some Win HPs and some Rem FMJs , once I got the rifle on paper at 25 yards it was just a matter of dialing it in for 100 yards .

Now it will shoot a 5 shot group @ 100 in less than 2" , for a cheap rifle I'll live with that for now .

stimpy

Graybeard · « **Reply #21 on:** July 06, 2008, 12:28:22 PM »

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and the ammo was to blame for the shotgun patterns

What ammo did this? I got some Hornady light weights with the plastic tips to hopefully use at the PD shoot and in my Marlin patterns is more like what I got than groups.

Shame I really wanted to see how those bullets reacted on PDs.

But the way they grouped in my Marlin I'm not sure I could have sneaked up close enough to have hit one. $:-\$

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #22 on:** July 06, 2008, 01:38:50 PM »

Bill

The ammo was the Remington Premier Gold Box 33 grain V-tip , I am hoping that it was just a bad batch as even the report of the rounds were diffrent than the others .

I'm just glad that it seems to be shooting for now , but it did before Hooker too .

I plan to pick up another box but will make sure its from a diffrent lot .

stimpy

Tencubed · « **Reply #23 on:** July 06, 2008, 02:29:23 PM »

Stimpy:

Interesting that that scope would move that far with just one click. You say you put it in the trash, don't those have a warrantee that would cover this? Be interesting to send it in and find out what made it do that.

I feel worried now, bought three of the exact same scopes for barrels for a rifle to give to my grandson.

Glad you found the problem but I'm surprised that ammo moved around that much. I'll have to check to see if I have any of that and take a close look at how it compares to the other stuff. Thanks for the heads up.

Mike

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 06, 2008, 11:48:35 PM »

Mike

After dealing with BSA CS before it was just cheaper and easier for me to toss the D--N thing , I do have 2 more of those scopes and both are working very well . One is on a 22lr and the other is on my 218 Bee .

Will I get another ? maybe . I like that they are kind of compact in size and fit the Handi's well so we'll see .

stimpy